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PV = photovoltaic If the title read "silicon solar cells" it would be clearer to the layperson (like me). Many of us read the comments to decide if the articl

PV = photovoltaic If the title read "silicon solar cells" it would be clearer to the layperson (like me). Many of us read the comments to decide if the article is worth reading, so it helps.

riffraff 5y ago
For a non native speaker it's hard to connect P with the F sound in photovoltaic, so this title was extra confusing for me.
- a1369209993 5y ago
  > it's hard to connect P with the F sound in photovoltaic Strictly speaking, it ought to be "PhV" (compare "PhD"), but no one does that for some reason.
- kragen 5y ago
  Yeah, this is a stupid thing that stems from a sound shift in Ancient Greek about 2000 years ago, when Φ changed its pronunciation from [pʰ] to something like [f]. We have all kinds of evidence of more or less when and where this happened, but not why, although it's a thing that's happened in other languages too, where a phonetic distinction that's originally aspirated/unaspirated becomes a fricative/plosive distinction. English has this stupid policy of keeping the original spelling of any loanword it picks up, gradually drifting closer and closer to being an ideographic script. In this case English got its Greek morphemes by way of Latin, where they'd mostly already acquired standard spellings based on the older pronunciation. In Spanish, which has a phonetic script, it's much saner: "panel fotovoltáico". Maybe we should start calling them ΦV panels.
  - sheepdestroyer 5y ago
    Preserving words history is far from stupid. Spellings of words bear meaning. Ethymology is extremely important to understand your own language, and how it relates to others. If we were to write every languages strictly phonetically, some would lose more than just etymology, but would even become a lot less understandable.
    - kragen 5y ago
      While not, strictly speaking, incorrect (and I certainly do enjoy etymology) this reasoning disregards the tradeoffs; it leads to https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2473 https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2473.

PV = photovoltaic If the title read "silicon solar cells" it would be clearer to the layperson (like me). Many of us read the comments to decide if the article is worth reading, so it helps.

riffraff 5y ago

For a non native speaker it's hard to connect P with the F sound in photovoltaic, so this title was extra confusing for me.

a1369209993 5y ago
> it's hard to connect P with the F sound in photovoltaic Strictly speaking, it ought to be "PhV" (compare "PhD"), but no one does that for some reason.
kragen 5y ago
Yeah, this is a stupid thing that stems from a sound shift in Ancient Greek about 2000 years ago, when Φ changed its pronunciation from [pʰ] to something like [f]. We have all kinds of evidence of more or less when and where this happened, but not why, although it's a thing that's happened in other languages too, where a phonetic distinction that's originally aspirated/unaspirated becomes a fricative/plosive distinction. English has this stupid policy of keeping the original spelling of any loanword it picks up, gradually drifting closer and closer to being an ideographic script. In this case English got its Greek morphemes by way of Latin, where they'd mostly already acquired standard spellings based on the older pronunciation. In Spanish, which has a phonetic script, it's much saner: "panel fotovoltáico". Maybe we should start calling them ΦV panels.
- sheepdestroyer 5y ago
  Preserving words history is far from stupid. Spellings of words bear meaning. Ethymology is extremely important to understand your own language, and how it relates to others. If we were to write every languages strictly phonetically, some would lose more than just etymology, but would even become a lot less understandable.
  - kragen 5y ago
    While not, strictly speaking, incorrect (and I certainly do enjoy etymology) this reasoning disregards the tradeoffs; it leads to https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2473 https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2473.