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There are several articles citing "bbc.co.uk" as fact which is similar to a Russian source citing "rt.com". Not remotely similar; whatever their flaws, the BBC

There are several articles citing "bbc.co.uk" as fact which is similar to a Russian source citing "rt.com". Not remotely similar; whatever their flaws, the BBC is still internationally respected for impartiality and professionalism, and the UK is still a country that values the freedom of ideas and expression of them.

rob_c 5y ago
I'm sorry but frankly no. You are so demonstrably incorrect on this assertion. There are many areas where RT report really well and have been rewarded. I however wouldn't ever trust them as a reputable source of the status of the Russian vaccination program or Russian voting. Frankly this is common sense, read the foreign reporting on any issue in a country to balance what is correct and what is being magnipulated regardless of who is reporting on it. This is how grown ups are supposed to use the Internet rather than falling into a bubble of trusting 3or4 sites as gospel. The same way I would be weary of the BBC reporting on any topic remotely close to the political arena in the uk at the time. The beeb are getting demonstrably concerningly biased their manipulation or changes to page ranking within their site. They regularly do publish quoting lancet pages without directly linking to them, the story then falls out of the ranking within 24hr and the external index engines struggle to find the static published content they still have. It's they're it's "just gone". This is not a result of reasonable reporting or sensible journalism. When the article is mistitled for clicks this is even worse. I'm being nice to aunty beeb here. I want it to exist. But pretending it's currently an infallable entity and is unbiased is an insult to its heritage.
- mellosouls 5y ago
  Me: whatever their flaws... You: But pretending it's currently an infallable entity... Completely not what I said. Seriously, you should be more careful with your words: twice wide of the mark now - in just two comments.
  - rob_c 5y ago
    Impartiality and professionalism with a global context is a bit of an absolutist statement. They're an award winning news organisation with international respect and something worth being proud of certainly, but they're far from globally impartial or completely professional.
pydry 5y ago
>BBC is still internationally respected for impartiality and professionalism It may still hold some latent respect from the pre-david kelly days but it has fully transitioned to being an rt-like government mouthpiece. A recent yougov poll found the british public considered them among the least trustworthy media outlets.
- makomk 5y ago
  Honestly, if they were actually a government mouthpiece it'd probably improve the quality of the BBC's Covid reporting at this point. They seem to be pushing this idea that everything the government is doing is wrong and incompetent, and they don't think it violates their standards in any way to publish claims that they know are false and then quietly pull them a month later with no correction after they've had the desired effect in order to achieve this.
  - pydry 5y ago
    >They seem to be pushing this idea that everything the government is doing is wrong and incompetent Hard to cover this truth up completely. Did you think the UK got 128,000 COVID deaths by doing everything right? They're giving a platform to Dominic Cummings (I assume you're referring to this?). For better or worse his claims would come out sooner or later. It's more controllable if it comes out via the BBC. Propaganda management is not all about pushing good stories and hiding bad ones it's also about damage control on negative stories and ideally owning the ones you won't ever be able to suppress. By owning the story they were better poised to claim that Cummings was just a liar who was bitter about being kicked out, for instance.

rob_c 5y ago

I'm sorry but frankly no. You are so demonstrably incorrect on this assertion. There are many areas where RT report really well and have been rewarded. I however wouldn't ever trust them as a reputable source of the status of the Russian vaccination program or Russian voting. Frankly this is common sense, read the foreign reporting on any issue in a country to balance what is correct and what is being magnipulated regardless of who is reporting on it. This is how grown ups are supposed to use the Internet rather than falling into a bubble of trusting 3or4 sites as gospel. The same way I would be weary of the BBC reporting on any topic remotely close to the political arena in the uk at the time. The beeb are getting demonstrably concerningly biased their manipulation or changes to page ranking within their site. They regularly do publish quoting lancet pages without directly linking to them, the story then falls out of the ranking within 24hr and the external index engines struggle to find the static published content they still have. It's they're it's "just gone". This is not a result of reasonable reporting or sensible journalism. When the article is mistitled for clicks this is even worse. I'm being nice to aunty beeb here. I want it to exist. But pretending it's currently an infallable entity and is unbiased is an insult to its heritage.

mellosouls 5y ago
Me: whatever their flaws... You: But pretending it's currently an infallable entity... Completely not what I said. Seriously, you should be more careful with your words: twice wide of the mark now - in just two comments.
- rob_c 5y ago
  Impartiality and professionalism with a global context is a bit of an absolutist statement. They're an award winning news organisation with international respect and something worth being proud of certainly, but they're far from globally impartial or completely professional.

pydry 5y ago

>BBC is still internationally respected for impartiality and professionalism It may still hold some latent respect from the pre-david kelly days but it has fully transitioned to being an rt-like government mouthpiece. A recent yougov poll found the british public considered them among the least trustworthy media outlets.

makomk 5y ago
Honestly, if they were actually a government mouthpiece it'd probably improve the quality of the BBC's Covid reporting at this point. They seem to be pushing this idea that everything the government is doing is wrong and incompetent, and they don't think it violates their standards in any way to publish claims that they know are false and then quietly pull them a month later with no correction after they've had the desired effect in order to achieve this.
- pydry 5y ago
  >They seem to be pushing this idea that everything the government is doing is wrong and incompetent Hard to cover this truth up completely. Did you think the UK got 128,000 COVID deaths by doing everything right? They're giving a platform to Dominic Cummings (I assume you're referring to this?). For better or worse his claims would come out sooner or later. It's more controllable if it comes out via the BBC. Propaganda management is not all about pushing good stories and hiding bad ones it's also about damage control on negative stories and ideally owning the ones you won't ever be able to suppress. By owning the story they were better poised to claim that Cummings was just a liar who was bitter about being kicked out, for instance.