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I agree. I suspect many "long covid" cases are probably not caused by covid, but by the lockdown and psychological impact of this phenomenon. People complainin

by adflux 5y ago

I agree. I suspect many "long covid" cases are probably not caused by covid, but by the lockdown and psychological impact of this phenomenon. People complaining of fatigue or having difficulty concentrating or having brain fog are in some studies already counted as suffering from long covid. No causual relationship required.

CraigJPerry 5y ago
That suspicion goes against what the people who are dealing with this every day are saying. What makes you suspect this? A friend of mine is a doctor and we were chatting about long covid 2 days ago, his description of it seemed pretty cut and dried to me - e.g. a swimmer here in Glasgow with hopes of getting to the 2024 olympics is currently unable to train due to breathing issues post-covid. They’re supposed to be fully immersed in training right now but can’t since covid in December 2020.
- murgindrag 5y ago
  One person I know is suffering from serious balance problems post-COVID. It's just not consistent with the "It's all in their minds theory," or "it's the same as stress from isolation" theory. There's clearly something neurological going on, and we don't understand it yet.
  - treeman79 5y ago
    In my case it was a mix of information, increased cranial pressure, and minor clots. Was a nightmare getting those under control but my symptoms eased up. Then I got covid and it all started up again. Took months to get back to a baseline, but symptoms were identical, aside from loss of smell.
- adflux 5y ago
  Have you read the diagnosis criteria and studies regarding long covid? I have read a few, and I see that many are using the widest net possible to define long covid, counting people who self diagnose symptoms such as brain fog and having trouble concentrating. Ofcourse long covid is real. I am just a bit skeptical about the diagnosis criteria.
  - toss1 5y ago
    That conclusion raises skepticism based on the appearance of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, but there's insufficient data for a firm conclusion.
  - rualca 5y ago
    > Have you read the diagnosis criteria and studies regarding long covid? I have read a few, and I see that many are using the widest net possible to define long covid, (...) I really don't understand what point you tried to make. The whole point of scientific papers is to gather and document findings in a way to be subjected to critical analysis and serve as food for thought. From your own example, which unfortunately is completely unsubstantiated, documenting symptoms reported by patients is a good starting point to form hypothesis to be verified or rejected.

by adflux 5y ago

CraigJPerry 5y ago

That suspicion goes against what the people who are dealing with this every day are saying. What makes you suspect this? A friend of mine is a doctor and we were chatting about long covid 2 days ago, his description of it seemed pretty cut and dried to me - e.g. a swimmer here in Glasgow with hopes of getting to the 2024 olympics is currently unable to train due to breathing issues post-covid. They’re supposed to be fully immersed in training right now but can’t since covid in December 2020.

murgindrag 5y ago
One person I know is suffering from serious balance problems post-COVID. It's just not consistent with the "It's all in their minds theory," or "it's the same as stress from isolation" theory. There's clearly something neurological going on, and we don't understand it yet.
- treeman79 5y ago
  In my case it was a mix of information, increased cranial pressure, and minor clots. Was a nightmare getting those under control but my symptoms eased up. Then I got covid and it all started up again. Took months to get back to a baseline, but symptoms were identical, aside from loss of smell.
adflux 5y ago
Have you read the diagnosis criteria and studies regarding long covid? I have read a few, and I see that many are using the widest net possible to define long covid, counting people who self diagnose symptoms such as brain fog and having trouble concentrating. Ofcourse long covid is real. I am just a bit skeptical about the diagnosis criteria.
- toss1 5y ago
  That conclusion raises skepticism based on the appearance of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, but there's insufficient data for a firm conclusion.
- rualca 5y ago
  > Have you read the diagnosis criteria and studies regarding long covid? I have read a few, and I see that many are using the widest net possible to define long covid, (...) I really don't understand what point you tried to make. The whole point of scientific papers is to gather and document findings in a way to be subjected to critical analysis and serve as food for thought. From your own example, which unfortunately is completely unsubstantiated, documenting symptoms reported by patients is a good starting point to form hypothesis to be verified or rejected.