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because that "cheap data" is only cheap for download. upload is aggressively throttled, filtered, sniffed, redirected, and otherwise treated as a hostile act b

because that "cheap data" is only cheap for download. upload is aggressively throttled, filtered, sniffed, redirected, and otherwise treated as a hostile act by ISPs, to submit to the demands of the media industry and keep squeezing businesses for exorbitant rates for the same bloody service but with the filters turned off. your average consumer ISP account where i live can't even run sshd without using complicated work arounds. the system has de-democratized web hosting and monolithic services have rushed to fill the vacuum left by the death of the ISP hosting era.

zinekeller 5y ago
... in the US, period. (Nota bene for old asymmetric standards used in other countries, and 5G is still asymmetrical unless there's a street-by-street deployment due to conservation of physics).
- ciarcode 5y ago
  Not related to the discussion, but I need to say I didn’t know I could use NB (i.e., “nota bene”) in an English conversation. Thanks
  - ldiracdelta 5y ago
    Only if you spell it out. I've never seen it abbreviated in English, but I have seen it spelled out. I only wish people knew what "e.g." meant -- "exampli gratia" or "free example". Folks on HN frequently use e.g. when they mean i.e. or "id est" or "that is". When you know the Latin, it rankles you every time. However despite Latin, "data" is stuff just like "hair" in standard English. "The hair _is_ on the floor", not "The hair _are_ on the floor." And thus "the data is collected", not "the data _are_ collected". English isn't a slave to Latin, but some misuses are too egregious to be tolerated.
    - triceratops 5y ago
      > Only if you spell it out. I've never seen it abbreviated in English, but I have seen it spelled out. I've only ever seen it abbreviated. The only time I've seen it spelled out is when I looked up what it meant.
    - ValentineC 5y ago
      > I only wish people knew what "e.g." meant -- "exampli gratia" or "free example". Folks on HN frequently use e.g. when they mean i.e. or "id est" or "that is". When you know the Latin, it rankles you every time. Just like you, I substitute "e.g." whenever I want to use "for example", and "i.e." for "that is". I find the difference quite straightforward once I "get it".
    - chromatin 5y ago
      Just as a side anec-note, I’ve seen “NB” far more frequently than _nota bene_ (in fact this thread may be one of the only times ever)
- laurent92 5y ago
  And USA is asymetric because housing is spread out. Same for Australia. But if services were locally-hosted, one wouldn’t need the big submarine cables to go back to USA.
- jarcane 5y ago
  I'm in Finland and it's the same here. A friend who basically was freelance and did tons of self-hosted IT shit for years, has given up and is now doing contract work in fucking Photoshop, because you can't practically run own hardware services anymore. It's a joke, and it upsets me that it all seems to just have happened quietly under everyone's nose, and no one seems to be worried about it at all.

zinekeller 5y ago

... in the US, period. (Nota bene for old asymmetric standards used in other countries, and 5G is still asymmetrical unless there's a street-by-street deployment due to conservation of physics).

ciarcode 5y ago
Not related to the discussion, but I need to say I didn’t know I could use NB (i.e., “nota bene”) in an English conversation. Thanks
- ldiracdelta 5y ago
  Only if you spell it out. I've never seen it abbreviated in English, but I have seen it spelled out. I only wish people knew what "e.g." meant -- "exampli gratia" or "free example". Folks on HN frequently use e.g. when they mean i.e. or "id est" or "that is". When you know the Latin, it rankles you every time. However despite Latin, "data" is stuff just like "hair" in standard English. "The hair _is_ on the floor", not "The hair _are_ on the floor." And thus "the data is collected", not "the data _are_ collected". English isn't a slave to Latin, but some misuses are too egregious to be tolerated.
  - triceratops 5y ago
    > Only if you spell it out. I've never seen it abbreviated in English, but I have seen it spelled out. I've only ever seen it abbreviated. The only time I've seen it spelled out is when I looked up what it meant.
  - ValentineC 5y ago
    > I only wish people knew what "e.g." meant -- "exampli gratia" or "free example". Folks on HN frequently use e.g. when they mean i.e. or "id est" or "that is". When you know the Latin, it rankles you every time. Just like you, I substitute "e.g." whenever I want to use "for example", and "i.e." for "that is". I find the difference quite straightforward once I "get it".
  - chromatin 5y ago
    Just as a side anec-note, I’ve seen “NB” far more frequently than _nota bene_ (in fact this thread may be one of the only times ever)
laurent92 5y ago
And USA is asymetric because housing is spread out. Same for Australia. But if services were locally-hosted, one wouldn’t need the big submarine cables to go back to USA.
jarcane 5y ago
I'm in Finland and it's the same here. A friend who basically was freelance and did tons of self-hosted IT shit for years, has given up and is now doing contract work in fucking Photoshop, because you can't practically run own hardware services anymore. It's a joke, and it upsets me that it all seems to just have happened quietly under everyone's nose, and no one seems to be worried about it at all.