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Two reasons: first, we know some religions do that, and we also know it can be got rid of and nothing bad happens. Second: because if your religion requires on

by trasz 5y ago

Two reasons: first, we know some religions do that, and we also know it can be got rid of and nothing bad happens. Second: because if your religion requires one to be a criminal, a civilized society will make sure it’s either fixed, or disappears.

azth 5y ago
Religion can be gotten rid off and nothing bad happens? I take it you haven't seen what the likes of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler did. No, we're here today because of religion. You owe many of the luxuries of modern life because of the Golden Age of Islam. Your definition of "criminal" just happens to follow the latest fad of the day. Read https://www.kirkdurston.com/blog/unwin https://www.kirkdurston.com/blog/unwin for a very brief overview.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I take it you haven't seen what the likes of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler did. Hitler leveraged religion as a tool rather than getting rid of it, and did pretty much the same kind of things as the others (which is individually worse is debatable, though Hitler generally “wins” that competition), so he kind of pretty clearly demonstratee that “getting rid of religion” isn't the source of the problem.
  - azth 5y ago
    Seems you're picking at straws. Hitler hated Judaism and Christianity. Thankfully (and unfortunately), history speaks for itself. The worst and most horrid atrocities and mass murdering were committed under atheistic anti-religion regimes. Clearly, "getting rid of religion" is a straw man that some people like to invoke because they pretend to live in a fairy tale. We're seeing it today in the atheist West. They got rid of religion, only to replace it with tribalism, racism, identity politics, etc. That's human nature, leave them up to their own device and they will use whatever means to gain power and influence. Believing getting rid of religion is somehow going to fix things has been proven wrong time and time again. Not to mention that it is inherent in humans to believe in the One Creator.

by trasz 5y ago

azth 5y ago

Religion can be gotten rid off and nothing bad happens? I take it you haven't seen what the likes of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler did. No, we're here today because of religion. You owe many of the luxuries of modern life because of the Golden Age of Islam. Your definition of "criminal" just happens to follow the latest fad of the day. Read https://www.kirkdurston.com/blog/unwin https://www.kirkdurston.com/blog/unwin for a very brief overview.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> I take it you haven't seen what the likes of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler did. Hitler leveraged religion as a tool rather than getting rid of it, and did pretty much the same kind of things as the others (which is individually worse is debatable, though Hitler generally “wins” that competition), so he kind of pretty clearly demonstratee that “getting rid of religion” isn't the source of the problem.
- azth 5y ago
  Seems you're picking at straws. Hitler hated Judaism and Christianity. Thankfully (and unfortunately), history speaks for itself. The worst and most horrid atrocities and mass murdering were committed under atheistic anti-religion regimes. Clearly, "getting rid of religion" is a straw man that some people like to invoke because they pretend to live in a fairy tale. We're seeing it today in the atheist West. They got rid of religion, only to replace it with tribalism, racism, identity politics, etc. That's human nature, leave them up to their own device and they will use whatever means to gain power and influence. Believing getting rid of religion is somehow going to fix things has been proven wrong time and time again. Not to mention that it is inherent in humans to believe in the One Creator.