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This changes everything! I would find it interesting to see how a layer on top of reality would allow non-technical people to perform technical tasks. For exa

This changes everything! I would find it interesting to see how a layer on top of reality would allow non-technical people to perform technical tasks. For example I don't know a lot about car engines. I can imagine being guided through minor repairs by utilizing these types of overlays. I can imagine this kind of overlay system also to provide a big boost in diagnosis for problems and systems such as car engines or even medical diagnosis.

go_elmo 5y ago
I find it hard to imagine to use the current bw only and grainy cameras of e.g. the quest 2 for such tasks, it really doesnt feel natural. But might be easy to improve this in future generation hardware
- jonplackett 5y ago
  Feels like a test. I think it’s a solid bet Quest 3 will have better cameras!
  - go_elmo 5y ago
    I'm sure they chose the ones used for better CV tracking & properties, especially in low light etc, but could be easy to add a pair of true-color ones, especially for passthrough. Just checked again and the main issue IMO currently is the low framerate / blur when using it. The movement of the hands e.g. is quite uncomfortable this way.
- blensor 5y ago
  It works if the "AR" is just using the real world as a kind of backdrop and not the main visual elememt. If you are using it the other way around as a kind of real world view with only a few AR elements on top it gets old pretty quicklY
in3d 5y ago
It’s hard to see why VR headsets with pass-through would win out over AR headsets (like the Hololens) in the long term for such uses. But I suppose if you need something right now, VR would be more available and cheaper.
- msk-lywenn 5y ago
  AFAIK, AR headsets are still additive displays, ie. no way of displaying black. That’s the only advantage I see in using VR headsets for AR
  - dagmx 5y ago
    Also waveguides have other limitations, like image fidelity, FoV, needing darker environments and significant display artifacts.
- jonplackett 5y ago
  One reason is that with hololens / magic leap you can’t create black. The display is like a ‘screen’ layer in photoshop and can only add additional light, so you can’t get great contrast and anything you add to the scene has a ghost-like quality. All those demos you’ve seen of AR glasses making screens on a wall are faked. Magic leap paid a special effects house to make a lot of their ‘real’ demos. Also - field of view. Magic leap has an AWFUL field of view.
  - ExitPlatosCave 5y ago
    I think it's interesting to think about adding elements to what we experience in reality via AR. Versus importing elements from reality into a VR experience. Based on your comments I would say one of the big advantages of importing from reality into VR would be to be able to move around without colliding into physical objects in the real world.
    - jonplackett 5y ago
      That would be really cool. Like a game that had virtual objects but in the same places as the physical world, but hey don’t need to be the same thing. Long term I think the idea of a computer almost permanently between us and our number one most trusted sensory organ is a fast recipe for Utopia / Dystopia.
cheschire 5y ago
You basically described the Hololens concept from years ago. What changed? This feels like old territory and the excitement doesn’t feel justified. Edited.
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  It's a HN guideline not to accuse others of shilling without evidence. (It's such a common pattern that it makes for boring reading, among other reasons.)
- plutonorm 5y ago
  It a practice platform for when the tech catches up with the dream. Anyone who isn’t excited by augmented reality tech is just.... I dunno... bored of life?
  - PicassoCTs 5y ago
    Its also a great chance, to virtualize large swathes of the "non-touch" economy - and thus be another step stone to a carbon reduced world. No need for a plastic gnome on the front lawn, just place it. No need for birthday deco, just place it in virt, no need for other deco, just place it in virt. No need for a fancy car display, just use virt-hud, with a basic-backup.
  - f6v 5y ago
    > Anyone who isn’t excited by augmented reality tech is just.... I dunno... bored of life? I want invisible technology, the one that does everything and I don’t have to interact with it.
  - malka 5y ago
    I am waiting for AR lenses.
  - anon_tor_12345 5y ago
    >Anyone who isn’t excited by augmented reality tech is just.... I dunno... bored of life? lol isn't this just the most ironic claim? i'm not excited by augmented reality exactly because i'm not bored with life (i.e. unaugmented reality).

go_elmo 5y ago

I find it hard to imagine to use the current bw only and grainy cameras of e.g. the quest 2 for such tasks, it really doesnt feel natural. But might be easy to improve this in future generation hardware

jonplackett 5y ago
Feels like a test. I think it’s a solid bet Quest 3 will have better cameras!
- go_elmo 5y ago
  I'm sure they chose the ones used for better CV tracking & properties, especially in low light etc, but could be easy to add a pair of true-color ones, especially for passthrough. Just checked again and the main issue IMO currently is the low framerate / blur when using it. The movement of the hands e.g. is quite uncomfortable this way.
blensor 5y ago
It works if the "AR" is just using the real world as a kind of backdrop and not the main visual elememt. If you are using it the other way around as a kind of real world view with only a few AR elements on top it gets old pretty quicklY

in3d 5y ago

It’s hard to see why VR headsets with pass-through would win out over AR headsets (like the Hololens) in the long term for such uses. But I suppose if you need something right now, VR would be more available and cheaper.

msk-lywenn 5y ago
AFAIK, AR headsets are still additive displays, ie. no way of displaying black. That’s the only advantage I see in using VR headsets for AR
- dagmx 5y ago
  Also waveguides have other limitations, like image fidelity, FoV, needing darker environments and significant display artifacts.
jonplackett 5y ago
One reason is that with hololens / magic leap you can’t create black. The display is like a ‘screen’ layer in photoshop and can only add additional light, so you can’t get great contrast and anything you add to the scene has a ghost-like quality. All those demos you’ve seen of AR glasses making screens on a wall are faked. Magic leap paid a special effects house to make a lot of their ‘real’ demos. Also - field of view. Magic leap has an AWFUL field of view.
- ExitPlatosCave 5y ago
  I think it's interesting to think about adding elements to what we experience in reality via AR. Versus importing elements from reality into a VR experience. Based on your comments I would say one of the big advantages of importing from reality into VR would be to be able to move around without colliding into physical objects in the real world.
  - jonplackett 5y ago
    That would be really cool. Like a game that had virtual objects but in the same places as the physical world, but hey don’t need to be the same thing. Long term I think the idea of a computer almost permanently between us and our number one most trusted sensory organ is a fast recipe for Utopia / Dystopia.

cheschire 5y ago

You basically described the Hololens concept from years ago. What changed? This feels like old territory and the excitement doesn’t feel justified. Edited.

sillysaurusx 5y ago
It's a HN guideline not to accuse others of shilling without evidence. (It's such a common pattern that it makes for boring reading, among other reasons.)
plutonorm 5y ago
It a practice platform for when the tech catches up with the dream. Anyone who isn’t excited by augmented reality tech is just.... I dunno... bored of life?
- PicassoCTs 5y ago
  Its also a great chance, to virtualize large swathes of the "non-touch" economy - and thus be another step stone to a carbon reduced world. No need for a plastic gnome on the front lawn, just place it. No need for birthday deco, just place it in virt, no need for other deco, just place it in virt. No need for a fancy car display, just use virt-hud, with a basic-backup.
- f6v 5y ago
  > Anyone who isn’t excited by augmented reality tech is just.... I dunno... bored of life? I want invisible technology, the one that does everything and I don’t have to interact with it.
- malka 5y ago
  I am waiting for AR lenses.
- anon_tor_12345 5y ago
  >Anyone who isn’t excited by augmented reality tech is just.... I dunno... bored of life? lol isn't this just the most ironic claim? i'm not excited by augmented reality exactly because i'm not bored with life (i.e. unaugmented reality).