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> These included real ID’s which we confiscated because they were being used by not-the-owner of the ID. Wait, how does this work? You (as a private, non-gove

by aix1 5y ago

> These included real ID’s which we confiscated because they were being used by not-the-owner of the ID. Wait, how does this work? You (as a private, non-government entity) can just confiscate an ID simply because you suspect the bearer isn't the person whose ID it is?

mike_d 5y ago
It doesn't. If you confiscate an ID document you are supposed to turn it over to law enforcement. You don't just get to build up a collection of other peoples stuff. In many states possession of a fake ID is a crime, in addition to laws that cover use or intent to defraud.
- DonHopkins 5y ago
  But what if law enforcement is manufacturing fake ids themselves? That's one of the many ways Trump loyalist Matt Gaetz's best buddy pedo-pimp Joel Greenberg got in trouble, making fake ids using information from surrendered driver's licenses. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/16/joel-greenberg-accused-of-making-fake-ids-with-information-from-customers-at-seminole-tax-collectors-office/ https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/16/joel-gree... >The report claims that some customers came to Greenberg’s office to surrender their driver’s license -- for instance, when they were receiving a replacement or renewal -- with the understanding that their old ID would be shredded. >Instead, federal prosecutors allege that Greenberg used the information from at least two IDs, one from Florida and one from Puerto Rico, to create a fake driver’s license that would have his picture on it along with the victims’ names, date of birth and other pertinent information. >“Joel Micah Greenberg used the surrendered drivers licenses that he had taken to cause fake driver licenses to be produced that had his photograph but the personal information of the victims whose driver licenses he had taken,” prosecutors wrote.
michaelt 5y ago
Presumably the bouncer says "I'm confiscating this, you can leave or we can get the cops to sort it out" and anyone using a fake ID who isn't dumb chooses the former.
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- runnerup 5y ago
  Yes this is exactly what happens, to a “T”. Most of the bars I knew of had their own collections of fake ID’s. The good ones would use them for training purposes and the bad ones would find ways to sell them on the black market. Holding onto them for training purposes may be illegal but generally we had very good relationships with the police, it wasn’t something that would have ever been enforced. To dispel the notion that this was some “bootlicker” bar that got special treatment from police, it was the actually the most popular bar in a college town very much like Berkeley or Austin or Cambridge. When Obama won the election the bar was standing room only but the manager had the staff give a free shot to everyone in the bar.
runnerup 5y ago
This was explicitly legal to do in our state. Here’s a list of laws on that state-by-state: https://law.stackexchange.com/a/41818 https://law.stackexchange.com/a/41818

by aix1 5y ago

mike_d 5y ago

It doesn't. If you confiscate an ID document you are supposed to turn it over to law enforcement. You don't just get to build up a collection of other peoples stuff. In many states possession of a fake ID is a crime, in addition to laws that cover use or intent to defraud.

DonHopkins 5y ago
But what if law enforcement is manufacturing fake ids themselves? That's one of the many ways Trump loyalist Matt Gaetz's best buddy pedo-pimp Joel Greenberg got in trouble, making fake ids using information from surrendered driver's licenses. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/16/joel-greenberg-accused-of-making-fake-ids-with-information-from-customers-at-seminole-tax-collectors-office/ https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/16/joel-gree... >The report claims that some customers came to Greenberg’s office to surrender their driver’s license -- for instance, when they were receiving a replacement or renewal -- with the understanding that their old ID would be shredded. >Instead, federal prosecutors allege that Greenberg used the information from at least two IDs, one from Florida and one from Puerto Rico, to create a fake driver’s license that would have his picture on it along with the victims’ names, date of birth and other pertinent information. >“Joel Micah Greenberg used the surrendered drivers licenses that he had taken to cause fake driver licenses to be produced that had his photograph but the personal information of the victims whose driver licenses he had taken,” prosecutors wrote.

michaelt 5y ago

Presumably the bouncer says "I'm confiscating this, you can leave or we can get the cops to sort it out" and anyone using a fake ID who isn't dumb chooses the former.

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runnerup 5y ago
Yes this is exactly what happens, to a “T”. Most of the bars I knew of had their own collections of fake ID’s. The good ones would use them for training purposes and the bad ones would find ways to sell them on the black market. Holding onto them for training purposes may be illegal but generally we had very good relationships with the police, it wasn’t something that would have ever been enforced. To dispel the notion that this was some “bootlicker” bar that got special treatment from police, it was the actually the most popular bar in a college town very much like Berkeley or Austin or Cambridge. When Obama won the election the bar was standing room only but the manager had the staff give a free shot to everyone in the bar.

runnerup 5y ago

This was explicitly legal to do in our state. Here’s a list of laws on that state-by-state: https://law.stackexchange.com/a/41818 https://law.stackexchange.com/a/41818