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Kiwi Farms deliberately attacks those who are vulnerable, in the most hurtful way. You or I might be able to brush off some internet trolls, but what if they st

Kiwi Farms deliberately attacks those who are vulnerable, in the most hurtful way. You or I might be able to brush off some internet trolls, but what if they start targeting, doxing, and suicide baiting your friends? What if some of those friends are already in a vulnerable place? Are you resilient to that? We can't fix this problem by somehow immunizing the population against abuse. Words hurt, and they hurt some people more than others. The only way to fix this is to hold those who abuse others accountable for their actions, as well as those who enable them. This is no different from harassment and stalking in real life. Those are already punished by law. The problem is the law is behind the times, and harassment on the internet is still largely something people get to do with impunity. KiwiFarms exists thanks to Cloudflare (Domain, DNS, DDoS protection) and FiberHub (colocation), who provide services to them and refuse to do anything about the abuse perpetrated by this customer. KiwiFarms isn't even some darknet site; they are openly hosted in the US.

xupybd 5y ago
I fully support laws that criminalize doxing and targeted harassment. I'm also a big fan of helping people deal with such toxic behavior. Through good support networks and the ability to block out groups such as this. Just as I want violent crime to be punished but also want people to be able to protect themselves. In both cases not everyone can be 100% protected but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to help those you can. In both cases you can criminalize certain behavior but you can't prevent it. Because evil people will always be present in society.
jazzyjackson 5y ago
> KiwiFarms exists thanks to Cloudflare Should cloudflare spin up an editorial board to decide what platforms to drop based on complaints? What about cases of poisoning the well, I can get my competitors taken offline by making ugly comments and complaining to cloudflare. It’s untenable, if a customer is breaking the law, let the law seize their servers, until then the service providers should not be adjudicators.
- throwinawaysoon 5y ago
  >Should cloudflare spin up an editorial board to decide what platforms to drop based on complaints? They already do that and they're called lawyers. And forbidden activities are collectively listed under "Term of Service."
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    You know what, you got me there. Cloudflare is free at any time to add "don't bully people into committing suicide" to its list of rules, at least that way the rule can be applied fairly instead of in a reactionary way.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Orgs can avoid such well-poisoning by not hosting unfiltered public comment. That was the traditional solution.

xupybd 5y ago

I fully support laws that criminalize doxing and targeted harassment. I'm also a big fan of helping people deal with such toxic behavior. Through good support networks and the ability to block out groups such as this. Just as I want violent crime to be punished but also want people to be able to protect themselves. In both cases not everyone can be 100% protected but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to help those you can. In both cases you can criminalize certain behavior but you can't prevent it. Because evil people will always be present in society.

jazzyjackson 5y ago

> KiwiFarms exists thanks to Cloudflare Should cloudflare spin up an editorial board to decide what platforms to drop based on complaints? What about cases of poisoning the well, I can get my competitors taken offline by making ugly comments and complaining to cloudflare. It’s untenable, if a customer is breaking the law, let the law seize their servers, until then the service providers should not be adjudicators.

throwinawaysoon 5y ago
>Should cloudflare spin up an editorial board to decide what platforms to drop based on complaints? They already do that and they're called lawyers. And forbidden activities are collectively listed under "Term of Service."
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  You know what, you got me there. Cloudflare is free at any time to add "don't bully people into committing suicide" to its list of rules, at least that way the rule can be applied fairly instead of in a reactionary way.
shadowgovt 5y ago
Orgs can avoid such well-poisoning by not hosting unfiltered public comment. That was the traditional solution.