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Your definition of objectivity on both counts seems to be subjective. If someone said "black people kill each other for crack corners, facts don't care about y
by betwixthewires 5y ago
Your definition of objectivity on both counts seems to be subjective.
If someone said "black people kill each other for crack corners, facts don't care about your feelings" you'd at the very least say they were painting with a broad brush. I'd agree with you. There's a difference between a race and a profession, sure, but you're generalizing a diverse group of people.
And is it objectively better rhetoric? Objectively? Empirically I see it has a very divisive effect, much more prominent than any positive effect you can find examples of. But say it is effective, that's more important to you than it's truthfulness? Do you want to live in a world where we pretend to believe lies because they're effective at achieving some end?
I'm all about reigning in the police, cutting budgets, cutting staff, whatever, not because they're racist (as a group they're not) but because they're goons for the state, it is their job to go sniff your butthole and ask you what you've been doing under implied threat of violence. That's objectively better rhetoric because it's true, and it's all inclusive because they do this to all of us equally.
- geofft 5y agoAt least among the NYPD, which is what this article about, it's not actually true that police are "goons for the state." The state has no effective control over what the police do. They quite literally turn their backs on elected leadership. They engage in all sorts of petty abuse of power like parking illegally in ways that are bad for the ends of the state (like promoting commerce). Police are, if anything, goons for themselves. I agree that if it were untrue that the police are racist murderers, then building public policy on it would be bad for society. But it's true, so it's fine to base policy on it.
- betwixthewires 5y agoBut it's not true though. You saying it is true doesn't make it true. It's about as true as the statement "black people kill each other over crack corners." Sure, some do, but most don't, most just live their lives like the rest of humanity.
- whateveracct 5y ago> And is it objectively better rhetoric? Objectively? A lot of liberal politics nowadays makes claims of "facts" when it's actually..just politics and opinions and all that ends up matter is a mix of philosophy and public opinion.