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To me, it is just the nature of large groups of human beings that sometimes there is an impending disaster, but people do not agree on what to do about it, and

by lacker 5y ago

To me, it is just the nature of large groups of human beings that sometimes there is an impending disaster, but people do not agree on what to do about it, and humanity stumbles into disaster. Look at Europe before WW1 or WW2, how many people predicted an imminent disastrous war, and how little agreement there was on how to fix it. Climate change is probably not as bad as impending WW3, but it shouldn't be surprising that we haven't had a mass changing of opinion to avoid disaster. That never really happens. The simplest answer is that we just need to prepare for a hotter world. This article points out that there will be "no safe place". Okay, we won't have a safe place. We will need to do the best we can to minimize natural disasters and at the same time try to figure out political and technological solutions to limiting climate change.

perl4ever 5y ago
>Okay, we won't have a safe place There never was a safe place. Nothing much may be happening around Yellowstone, but people speculate it might some day pretty much trash the whole continent if not the world. People in the midwest don't worry about earthquakes much but New Madrid showed it is possible and could be really bad. In the northeast, we're a long way from where most tornadoes are, but it can happen here, I've seen evidence. Nobody's particularly worried about something like Fukushima in the US, but there are quite a few nuclear reactors all over the place. We tend to assume the Atlantic isn't going to have a tsunami, I guess. Is that certain? In Europe, they assume there's not going to be a devastating volcano eruption, but you know, there's the historical records of Pompeii and so on. Nobody saw Tunguska and Chelyabinsk coming, something like that could happen at any moment over a major city.
belorn 5y ago
I have seen in every movement that while people share the goal, they do not share the strategy. The strategy often involve trade offs and cultural values that is separated from the common goal, and the stronger people feel about the goal the more convinced they are about their own chosen strategy. The most bitter fights tend to be between people who strongly share the same goals. Preparing for a hotter world is nice, but what I am hoping is that nations (and the green movement) will realize that all strategies need to be deployed and it doesn't matter if one strategy feels like it is being counter productive to the values of an other. Some people can focus on replacing meat with vegetarian options, other on ecological meat, some on reducing factory farming in favor of local small scale production, and some on low carbon meat like shell fish. Let some build nuclear power plants, other renewable energy and battery. Focus on building bike infrastructure, rail system and electrify all parts of the transport system.
- ddingus 5y ago
  I share that hope, but harbor no expectation of it actually happening. And frankly lining things up so my fam and I can live really lean. Tough times ahead. Might be 5 years, decade, maybe two, but tough times are coming. The scale and latency in all this point to us having past the time when we could really mitigate, amd the scale means humans taking it hard a few times before realizing a big effort makes sense.

by lacker 5y ago

perl4ever 5y ago

>Okay, we won't have a safe place There never was a safe place. Nothing much may be happening around Yellowstone, but people speculate it might some day pretty much trash the whole continent if not the world. People in the midwest don't worry about earthquakes much but New Madrid showed it is possible and could be really bad. In the northeast, we're a long way from where most tornadoes are, but it can happen here, I've seen evidence. Nobody's particularly worried about something like Fukushima in the US, but there are quite a few nuclear reactors all over the place. We tend to assume the Atlantic isn't going to have a tsunami, I guess. Is that certain? In Europe, they assume there's not going to be a devastating volcano eruption, but you know, there's the historical records of Pompeii and so on. Nobody saw Tunguska and Chelyabinsk coming, something like that could happen at any moment over a major city.

belorn 5y ago

I have seen in every movement that while people share the goal, they do not share the strategy. The strategy often involve trade offs and cultural values that is separated from the common goal, and the stronger people feel about the goal the more convinced they are about their own chosen strategy. The most bitter fights tend to be between people who strongly share the same goals. Preparing for a hotter world is nice, but what I am hoping is that nations (and the green movement) will realize that all strategies need to be deployed and it doesn't matter if one strategy feels like it is being counter productive to the values of an other. Some people can focus on replacing meat with vegetarian options, other on ecological meat, some on reducing factory farming in favor of local small scale production, and some on low carbon meat like shell fish. Let some build nuclear power plants, other renewable energy and battery. Focus on building bike infrastructure, rail system and electrify all parts of the transport system.

ddingus 5y ago
I share that hope, but harbor no expectation of it actually happening. And frankly lining things up so my fam and I can live really lean. Tough times ahead. Might be 5 years, decade, maybe two, but tough times are coming. The scale and latency in all this point to us having past the time when we could really mitigate, amd the scale means humans taking it hard a few times before realizing a big effort makes sense.