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The American development pattern is the problem that we can actually solve. If you genuinely care, and this isn't pandering, read the book Strong Towns. Our cit

by scoofy 5y ago

The American development pattern is the problem that we can actually solve. If you genuinely care, and this isn't pandering, read the book Strong Towns. Our cities are designed as inefficiently as possible, on purpose, and things like zoning and automobile infrastructure literally ban climate conscious living spaces. We should also at least have a carbon tax for things like normalizing beef as an alternative rather than a primary food source.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Other than world war, what mechanisms do you propose to get China, India, and the entire 3rd world on to an effective carbon tax plan? I mean, if the answer is world war, I’ll at least give you credit for an honest answer. I just rarely see that come up. The truth is yes we can and should do better, but also realize that other nations will take any advantage they can, including ignoring climate concerns. So if it’s a global problem, it needs a global solution, so what is that mechanism to apply one?
- betterunix2 5y ago
  You impose tariffs on their exported goods to compensate for their failure to impose carbon taxes, and maybe even impose an export tax on goods shipped to them. China needs trade with other countries and will get on board with a carbon tax if enough of the world is on board with such a plan, no war needed. Of course if things are truly implemented fairly, the US will also likely be subject to such taxes due to our own apparent inability to reduce our per capita carbon emissions...
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  The EU already have a solution for this - they tax imports from nations that don't have an ETA themselves.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    Yes. Taxing our way to a better climate is one consideration. But what happens when you need something more than they need to sell it? As in the case of China… steel, aluminum, titanium, food, machinery, computers, plastics, vehicles, or clothing… you know… those “couple of things” that we have collectively allowed China to make for us while pretending we’re all so green and the slave labor isn’t a problem. India, maybe you can tax into compliance. Third world, maybe, but someone will scream it isn’t “fair”. But China? I’m skeptical we tax ourselves greatly and them effectively without them becoming the number one superpower and then doing as they please anyhow.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      >But what happens when you need something more than they need to sell it? The CCP's entire domestic legitimacy comes from the economic growth that has come about since Deng took over. They need to keep the wheels spinning as much as the West does.
- cloverich 5y ago
  help them.

by scoofy 5y ago

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

Other than world war, what mechanisms do you propose to get China, India, and the entire 3rd world on to an effective carbon tax plan? I mean, if the answer is world war, I’ll at least give you credit for an honest answer. I just rarely see that come up. The truth is yes we can and should do better, but also realize that other nations will take any advantage they can, including ignoring climate concerns. So if it’s a global problem, it needs a global solution, so what is that mechanism to apply one?

betterunix2 5y ago
You impose tariffs on their exported goods to compensate for their failure to impose carbon taxes, and maybe even impose an export tax on goods shipped to them. China needs trade with other countries and will get on board with a carbon tax if enough of the world is on board with such a plan, no war needed. Of course if things are truly implemented fairly, the US will also likely be subject to such taxes due to our own apparent inability to reduce our per capita carbon emissions...
AussieWog93 5y ago
The EU already have a solution for this - they tax imports from nations that don't have an ETA themselves.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  Yes. Taxing our way to a better climate is one consideration. But what happens when you need something more than they need to sell it? As in the case of China… steel, aluminum, titanium, food, machinery, computers, plastics, vehicles, or clothing… you know… those “couple of things” that we have collectively allowed China to make for us while pretending we’re all so green and the slave labor isn’t a problem. India, maybe you can tax into compliance. Third world, maybe, but someone will scream it isn’t “fair”. But China? I’m skeptical we tax ourselves greatly and them effectively without them becoming the number one superpower and then doing as they please anyhow.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    >But what happens when you need something more than they need to sell it? The CCP's entire domestic legitimacy comes from the economic growth that has come about since Deng took over. They need to keep the wheels spinning as much as the West does.
cloverich 5y ago
help them.