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> Plus there's a panic button which puts you in a "personal safe zone", where you're in a bubble until Security gets there to rescue you from whomever is annoyi

> Plus there's a panic button which puts you in a "personal safe zone", where you're in a bubble until Security gets there to rescue you from whomever is annoying you. While it's still running, Facebook doesn't mention Horizon any more. > [2] https://youtu.be/Uf_9J_EdzZw https://youtu.be/Uf_9J_EdzZw That video is kind of amazing. It's all people of color, until one white guy shows up and immediately gets blocked. Also, all their safety team can do is make a recording and submit a report for further review? That seems stupid and pointless.

tkiolp4 5y ago
Umm, I’m not American so bear with me: - the lady in blue, she looks like a white person after having sun in the beach - the guy with purple tshirt, he looks readhead, so white - the guy with white hat and black hoodie looks south American - the guy with glasses and red jacket, looks black - the ladies with white tshirt, look white - the lady with glasses and brown tshirt, looks white - the guy with grey hat and orange hoodie looks white
- 83457 5y ago
  You are responding to a silly comment. With that said, I think straight black hair often implies non-european ancestry. I'd just assume main woman is Spanish, one in white is Asian. The non-black males are all pretty ambiguous (shrug)
  - dathinab 5y ago
    The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless. We are talking about cartoons, so we're really talking about symbols and coding. You're taking too much of a leap by inferring that much about the underlying concept from the use of symbols. You might have a point, but you need different support.
  - RLN 5y ago
    >I think straight black hair often implies non-european ancestry What? I better tell some friends they aren't European.
tomashertus 5y ago
That's amazing, first think which came to my mind was: > I can go to any time--in the past. I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now, wheeeeeeee! Source: https://genius.com/Louis-ck-on-being-white-annotated https://genius.com/Louis-ck-on-being-white-annotated
- livinginfear 5y ago
  What an utterly vile quote. I've never seen his comedy before. After reading that, I'll make sure I never do.
  - chillwaves 5y ago
    Maybe you could use a safe space?
    - corinroyal 5y ago
      I'm sure you could and do.
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- encryptluks2 5y ago
  That's messed up and racist in itself. A lot of the white racism is fueled by whites themselves. No one deserves to be raped, and to make such a despicable joke shows what kind of despicable person Louis CK is... which was pretty apparent when he was called out for wanking it in front of random people.
  - fastball 5y ago
    "Wanking in front of random people" makes it sound much more sex pest than it seemingly was – they were people who he invited back to his hotel room, who willingly went, and then once in the hotel room he asked if he could wank in front of them and reportedly they just kinda... giggled. So he did. Not my cup of tea, but let's be real: there are a finite number of things people do when invited back to hotel rooms. The idea that this is shocking or even surprising behavior is fairly divorced from reality.
livinginfear 5y ago
The comments on the video reassure me that I'm not alone in thinking that a 'safe space' in a virtual world is a totally schizophrenic idea.
- Animats 5y ago
  There are so many people out there screaming for more censorship. Second Life, which has been at this a while, has a reasonably workable solution - a rather strong notion of individual property rights. By default, anyone can enter anyone else's property. The property owner can change that. They can block everybody from entering. They can block individuals. They can eject people already there. They can set time limits. They can create groups and only allow members of that group in. They can charge to get in. They can delegate those powers to a program of their own. All those options are in use. So, for most land in Second Life, Linden Lab doesn't have to get involved. Linden Lab itself owns land, but it's mostly roads, water, and open space. Almost all the places where people congregate are privately owned. Club owners routinely eject people, and are not required to justify their decisions to anyone. There are more complaints about "I was ejected from ..." than "I was harassed at ..." To which the Linden Lab stock answer is "we don't get involved in resident to resident disputes". There's still some trouble at Linden Lab's own "safe hubs", which are probably the worst places in Second Life. Linden Lab does not police those much. So they're jerk magnets. This is mostly a problem for new users who haven't figured out not to hang out there much. There's a paid "governance" team, of about six people. They do sometimes ban people for griefing. Most of what they do is deal with real estate complaints - "There's a 60 meter tall rotating, floating, glowing FOR RENT sign at REGION/X/Y/Z, which violates ad policy", or "There's a big tree at REGION/X/Y/Z which goes over the edge of private property onto a public road and has a solid branch too low for trucks." (You can usually build stuff only on your own property, but it can stick out over the edge. The owner of the parcel encroached upon can remove the object if they want, but that's not automatic, because a bit of encroachment makes the shared landscaping look better. It really works like real life as much as possible.) Governance has public meetings, and it's like going to your local board of zoning appeals. This rather low-key approach works well in practice, and it doesn't require an army of "moderators". I mention all this because almost nobody making "metaverse" noises seems to get this. Of course, Decentraland has only 200-300 concurrent users, so they don't have the scale to get these scaling problems. The worlds that are divided into little disconnected rooms don't have neighbor problems. Roblox has a huge moderator staff, but their target demographic is aged around 13. If you can't solve this problem, your biggest labor cost is your paid goon squad.
weare138 5y ago
It's just bullshit marketing for a pause button and a standard reporting feature almost all social sites and apps have already so they can claim they're doing something the next time Zuck gets dragged in to testify again. It's just going to be a absolute shitshow like Facebook.
analyst74 5y ago
A lot of the cartoons are racially ambiguous. The speaker lady seems especially so, like, white/black/asian/latina mixed kinda ambiguous.
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tkiolp4 5y ago

Umm, I’m not American so bear with me: - the lady in blue, she looks like a white person after having sun in the beach - the guy with purple tshirt, he looks readhead, so white - the guy with white hat and black hoodie looks south American - the guy with glasses and red jacket, looks black - the ladies with white tshirt, look white - the lady with glasses and brown tshirt, looks white - the guy with grey hat and orange hoodie looks white

83457 5y ago
You are responding to a silly comment. With that said, I think straight black hair often implies non-european ancestry. I'd just assume main woman is Spanish, one in white is Asian. The non-black males are all pretty ambiguous (shrug)
- dathinab 5y ago
  The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless. We are talking about cartoons, so we're really talking about symbols and coding. You're taking too much of a leap by inferring that much about the underlying concept from the use of symbols. You might have a point, but you need different support.
- RLN 5y ago
  >I think straight black hair often implies non-european ancestry What? I better tell some friends they aren't European.

tomashertus 5y ago

That's amazing, first think which came to my mind was: > I can go to any time--in the past. I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now, wheeeeeeee! Source: https://genius.com/Louis-ck-on-being-white-annotated https://genius.com/Louis-ck-on-being-white-annotated

livinginfear 5y ago
What an utterly vile quote. I've never seen his comedy before. After reading that, I'll make sure I never do.
- chillwaves 5y ago
  Maybe you could use a safe space?
  - corinroyal 5y ago
    I'm sure you could and do.
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encryptluks2 5y ago
That's messed up and racist in itself. A lot of the white racism is fueled by whites themselves. No one deserves to be raped, and to make such a despicable joke shows what kind of despicable person Louis CK is... which was pretty apparent when he was called out for wanking it in front of random people.
- fastball 5y ago
  "Wanking in front of random people" makes it sound much more sex pest than it seemingly was – they were people who he invited back to his hotel room, who willingly went, and then once in the hotel room he asked if he could wank in front of them and reportedly they just kinda... giggled. So he did. Not my cup of tea, but let's be real: there are a finite number of things people do when invited back to hotel rooms. The idea that this is shocking or even surprising behavior is fairly divorced from reality.

livinginfear 5y ago

The comments on the video reassure me that I'm not alone in thinking that a 'safe space' in a virtual world is a totally schizophrenic idea.

Animats 5y ago
There are so many people out there screaming for more censorship. Second Life, which has been at this a while, has a reasonably workable solution - a rather strong notion of individual property rights. By default, anyone can enter anyone else's property. The property owner can change that. They can block everybody from entering. They can block individuals. They can eject people already there. They can set time limits. They can create groups and only allow members of that group in. They can charge to get in. They can delegate those powers to a program of their own. All those options are in use. So, for most land in Second Life, Linden Lab doesn't have to get involved. Linden Lab itself owns land, but it's mostly roads, water, and open space. Almost all the places where people congregate are privately owned. Club owners routinely eject people, and are not required to justify their decisions to anyone. There are more complaints about "I was ejected from ..." than "I was harassed at ..." To which the Linden Lab stock answer is "we don't get involved in resident to resident disputes". There's still some trouble at Linden Lab's own "safe hubs", which are probably the worst places in Second Life. Linden Lab does not police those much. So they're jerk magnets. This is mostly a problem for new users who haven't figured out not to hang out there much. There's a paid "governance" team, of about six people. They do sometimes ban people for griefing. Most of what they do is deal with real estate complaints - "There's a 60 meter tall rotating, floating, glowing FOR RENT sign at REGION/X/Y/Z, which violates ad policy", or "There's a big tree at REGION/X/Y/Z which goes over the edge of private property onto a public road and has a solid branch too low for trucks." (You can usually build stuff only on your own property, but it can stick out over the edge. The owner of the parcel encroached upon can remove the object if they want, but that's not automatic, because a bit of encroachment makes the shared landscaping look better. It really works like real life as much as possible.) Governance has public meetings, and it's like going to your local board of zoning appeals. This rather low-key approach works well in practice, and it doesn't require an army of "moderators". I mention all this because almost nobody making "metaverse" noises seems to get this. Of course, Decentraland has only 200-300 concurrent users, so they don't have the scale to get these scaling problems. The worlds that are divided into little disconnected rooms don't have neighbor problems. Roblox has a huge moderator staff, but their target demographic is aged around 13. If you can't solve this problem, your biggest labor cost is your paid goon squad.

weare138 5y ago

It's just bullshit marketing for a pause button and a standard reporting feature almost all social sites and apps have already so they can claim they're doing something the next time Zuck gets dragged in to testify again. It's just going to be a absolute shitshow like Facebook.

analyst74 5y ago

A lot of the cartoons are racially ambiguous. The speaker lady seems especially so, like, white/black/asian/latina mixed kinda ambiguous.

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