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Java as a language is decent. It's boring. It is stagnant. I expect very little of it. Java EE is an atrocity and it is just an over-enginnered pile of garbage

Java as a language is decent. It's boring. It is stagnant. I expect very little of it. Java EE is an atrocity and it is just an over-enginnered pile of garbage. Try play framework. I just finished a webapp in play and the whole experience has been awesome. IntelliJ + Play + MongoDB is AWESOME. I haven't messed with the Scala version, but I can imagine that Scala + Play is even more interesting. Either way, Java EE/EJB/XMLHell is probably my most people hate Java. Also, Swing was garbage too, but who builds desktop apps in Java anymore anyway?

eropple 15y ago
Play! Scala is really, really, really cool. The major downside--drink if you're expecting this one, folks--is the recompile time. Building an app is just so bleeping slow. But writing it? Very nice, aside from the somewhat iffy SQL layer. (I'm not a huge ORM fan, and the process of actually writing SQL through Anorm can be problematic.)
- programminggeek 15y ago
  For our app, we went straight up MongoDB driver. We didn't mess with an ORM at all. We still have our objects that end up mapping to Mongo, just not using a 3rd party lib. It's actually a really clean and enjoyable experience.
  - eropple 15y ago
    Huh, didn't think of that. I'll have to try it. Thanks a lot.
- simpsond 15y ago
  Have you tried jrebel to cut your compile time? It might ease some of that pain.
  - eropple 15y ago
    JRebel isn't applicable to Play - Play (both when running Java and Scala) hosts its own compiler. In dev mode, when you change a .java or .scala file, it recompiles it and reloads it on the fly. Which is why Play is freaking awesome--well, one of the reasons.
hello_moto 15y ago
Which version of Java EE you refer to? Last time I checked, Java EE6 is pretty sweet. Keep in mind that the latest EE6 spec and most modern Java frameworks make XML optional (supported only for backward compatibility or just because it's there).

eropple 15y ago

Play! Scala is really, really, really cool. The major downside--drink if you're expecting this one, folks--is the recompile time. Building an app is just so bleeping slow. But writing it? Very nice, aside from the somewhat iffy SQL layer. (I'm not a huge ORM fan, and the process of actually writing SQL through Anorm can be problematic.)

programminggeek 15y ago
For our app, we went straight up MongoDB driver. We didn't mess with an ORM at all. We still have our objects that end up mapping to Mongo, just not using a 3rd party lib. It's actually a really clean and enjoyable experience.
- eropple 15y ago
  Huh, didn't think of that. I'll have to try it. Thanks a lot.
simpsond 15y ago
Have you tried jrebel to cut your compile time? It might ease some of that pain.
- eropple 15y ago
  JRebel isn't applicable to Play - Play (both when running Java and Scala) hosts its own compiler. In dev mode, when you change a .java or .scala file, it recompiles it and reloads it on the fly. Which is why Play is freaking awesome--well, one of the reasons.

hello_moto 15y ago

Which version of Java EE you refer to? Last time I checked, Java EE6 is pretty sweet. Keep in mind that the latest EE6 spec and most modern Java frameworks make XML optional (supported only for backward compatibility or just because it's there).