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Replacing the SAT by a "Holistic" process is a convenient way to impose a quota on some groups judged problematic. To directly quote the article: "There is onl

Replacing the SAT by a "Holistic" process is a convenient way to impose a quota on some groups judged problematic. To directly quote the article: "There is only one group of students who are “overrepresented,” to use the chilling language of social engineering, at the university: Asian Americans. Twelve percent of K–12 students are Asian or Pacific Islander, compared with 34 percent of UC undergraduates. Aligning enrollment with state demographics would require cutting the share of those students by almost two-thirds. It would mean getting right with contemporary concepts of anti-racism by reviving one of California’s most shameful traditions: clearing Asians out of desirable spaces. [...] The UC has an established history in this dirty art. In the 1960s, Asian enrollment at UC Berkeley was strong, and it soared through the ’70s. But in the ’80s, it plummeted mysteriously. Berkeley was investigated by the Department of Education, and in 1989, the chancellor apologized and pledged that this would never happen again."

an_opabinia 5y ago
No one ethnic group owns the schools.
- thereare5lights 5y ago
  Red herring or strawman. No one asserted that In fact, the person you responded was asserting that this course of action is meant to deny access to members of certain groups because of their membership in a group, not that they are entitled to access because of their membership in a group.
  - an_opabinia 5y ago
    The stuff the person is talking about is a bad faith argument.
- visarga 5y ago
  Each individual is a minority of one. Forced equality is oppressive at individual level.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  Framing the issue as one "foreign" group "taking over" the school is interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_foreigner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_foreigner
briefcomment 5y ago
All the best colleagues I've worked with aced the SAT and/or other standardized tests. I would hate to not be able to refer to them while interviewing job candidates. Honestly, standardized test scores and some case study type questions would be sufficient to make a decision (along with 1 on 1 convos). I hope a decision like this opens a channel for smart people to get to employment without having to go to school or spend as much time in it. Edit: Some people are commenting that relying on scores from years ago can unfairly disadvantage people who have improved since then, and can generally be misleading. I agree with that. There should be a robust ecosystem of aptitude tests that are generally accepted, are as unbiased (culturally) as possible, and that can be retaken at any time. I think it's developing, as I've seen some examples of this in the hiring process.
- kcatskcolbdi 5y ago
  You......ask what people got on the SATs in your job interview?
  - iammisc 5y ago
    For my first jobs out of college, I listed my SAT scores. EDIT: Don't understand the downvotes. I went to a top liberal arts college and they told us to, if it was over a certain number. It worked broadly speaking.
    - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
      I did too. It specifically came up in interviews as a reason they brought me in.
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    One place I worked at did, by policy (D. E. Shaw & Co.). It was also the place with the densest collection of high-achieving, highly intelligent colleagues that I’ve ever experienced.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago

an_opabinia 5y ago

No one ethnic group owns the schools.

thereare5lights 5y ago
Red herring or strawman. No one asserted that In fact, the person you responded was asserting that this course of action is meant to deny access to members of certain groups because of their membership in a group, not that they are entitled to access because of their membership in a group.
- an_opabinia 5y ago
  The stuff the person is talking about is a bad faith argument.
visarga 5y ago
Each individual is a minority of one. Forced equality is oppressive at individual level.
908B64B197 5y ago
Framing the issue as one "foreign" group "taking over" the school is interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_foreigner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_foreigner

briefcomment 5y ago

All the best colleagues I've worked with aced the SAT and/or other standardized tests. I would hate to not be able to refer to them while interviewing job candidates. Honestly, standardized test scores and some case study type questions would be sufficient to make a decision (along with 1 on 1 convos). I hope a decision like this opens a channel for smart people to get to employment without having to go to school or spend as much time in it. Edit: Some people are commenting that relying on scores from years ago can unfairly disadvantage people who have improved since then, and can generally be misleading. I agree with that. There should be a robust ecosystem of aptitude tests that are generally accepted, are as unbiased (culturally) as possible, and that can be retaken at any time. I think it's developing, as I've seen some examples of this in the hiring process.

kcatskcolbdi 5y ago
You......ask what people got on the SATs in your job interview?
- iammisc 5y ago
  For my first jobs out of college, I listed my SAT scores. EDIT: Don't understand the downvotes. I went to a top liberal arts college and they told us to, if it was over a certain number. It worked broadly speaking.
  - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
    I did too. It specifically came up in interviews as a reason they brought me in.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  One place I worked at did, by policy (D. E. Shaw & Co.). It was also the place with the densest collection of high-achieving, highly intelligent colleagues that I’ve ever experienced.
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago