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It’s not even like being gay completely prevents people from having kids! There is surrogacy, and artificial insemination, and always an awful lot of kids witho

by jolux 5y ago

It’s not even like being gay completely prevents people from having kids! There is surrogacy, and artificial insemination, and always an awful lot of kids without parents. As well as plenty of heterosexual couples with fertility problems that society aids instead of criminalizing. It’s pure bigotry to criminalize being gay, there are plenty of ways to encourage people to have families without doing so.

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peoplefromibiza 5y ago
Of course! There's nothing wrong in being gay, I was simply discussing why some countries outlaw it. We are talking about Ghana where all the options you mention are not available to the majority of the population and even if they were, they wouldn't have the money. Imagine a gay person being responsible for a significant portion of the income of their family, would they risk jail to express themselves or would they not risk to go to jail to not put their family in troubles? It's, ça va sans dire, unacceptable for our standards.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > We are talking about Ghana where all the options you mention are not available to the majority of the population Fertility isn't presently a problem in Ghana [1]. If it were, neonatal care is the low-hanging fruit. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ghana#Fertility_and_births_based_on_Demographics_Health_Survey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ghana#Fertilit...
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    Yes, but it's Ghana, not California. "Greater Than Expected Fertility Decline in Ghana" https://dhsprogram.com/publications/publication-fa32-further-analysis.cfm https://dhsprogram.com/publications/publication-fa32-further... I fell I have have to explain that I'm totally against it, but politically - that's the reason why this law it's being enforced - it will probably play a role in the political propaganda.
yawboakye 5y ago
It's kinda amusing how the fertility/procreation strawman started and is already the leading theory for why this bill has been tabled. If you'd listen to a Ghanaian distill it down for ya: No one in the country cares what homosexuals do. It's not like married couple already get any benefits from the government. Public display of affection is considered rude: I won't dare to kiss my girlfriend in public. Among a familiar group we may hold hands. Gay or straight the culture of the country forbids sexual expressions. Now why the bill then? My theory is, the opposition party is trying to make the incumbent unpopular. They know the current government/President tends towards liberalism and are taking advantage of it for one of two things: (1) he refuses to assent the bill, in which case his party will face certain defeat in the next election, or (2) assents and faces the wrath of the world. He won't do (2) and very likely will play his cards well to avoid/defer (1). That is, I consider this the game of politics. Let's see how it plays out.
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by jolux 5y ago

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peoplefromibiza 5y ago

Of course! There's nothing wrong in being gay, I was simply discussing why some countries outlaw it. We are talking about Ghana where all the options you mention are not available to the majority of the population and even if they were, they wouldn't have the money. Imagine a gay person being responsible for a significant portion of the income of their family, would they risk jail to express themselves or would they not risk to go to jail to not put their family in troubles? It's, ça va sans dire, unacceptable for our standards.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> We are talking about Ghana where all the options you mention are not available to the majority of the population Fertility isn't presently a problem in Ghana [1]. If it were, neonatal care is the low-hanging fruit. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ghana#Fertility_and_births_based_on_Demographics_Health_Survey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ghana#Fertilit...
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  Yes, but it's Ghana, not California. "Greater Than Expected Fertility Decline in Ghana" https://dhsprogram.com/publications/publication-fa32-further-analysis.cfm https://dhsprogram.com/publications/publication-fa32-further... I fell I have have to explain that I'm totally against it, but politically - that's the reason why this law it's being enforced - it will probably play a role in the political propaganda.

yawboakye 5y ago

It's kinda amusing how the fertility/procreation strawman started and is already the leading theory for why this bill has been tabled. If you'd listen to a Ghanaian distill it down for ya: No one in the country cares what homosexuals do. It's not like married couple already get any benefits from the government. Public display of affection is considered rude: I won't dare to kiss my girlfriend in public. Among a familiar group we may hold hands. Gay or straight the culture of the country forbids sexual expressions. Now why the bill then? My theory is, the opposition party is trying to make the incumbent unpopular. They know the current government/President tends towards liberalism and are taking advantage of it for one of two things: (1) he refuses to assent the bill, in which case his party will face certain defeat in the next election, or (2) assents and faces the wrath of the world. He won't do (2) and very likely will play his cards well to avoid/defer (1). That is, I consider this the game of politics. Let's see how it plays out.

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