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Only around 5% of people are gay and many gay people have children. How can this possibly have a significant impact on birth rate?

moate 5y ago
It doesn't, but if you try to ground your homophobia in "evolutionary science" or "social capitalism" then you're not a bad person, you're just staying "facts"!
jsbdk 5y ago
How exactly do gay people have children?
- redisman 5y ago
  Adoption and surrogate births. Fucking is a very small part of parenthood
  - jsbdk 5y ago
    But those aren't really the couple's children.
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      I think the overwhelming majority of adopted children would disagree. One's "real" parents aren't always one's biological parents, even outside of formal adoption (cf. plenty of Americans realizing that their older "sister" is actually their mother).
- courtf 5y ago
  Let me tell you bout the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees. There's also adoption.
- ido 5y ago
  Sperm bank for women. Surrogate mothers for men. I know several lesbians who have children.
  - yawboakye 5y ago
    You’d do well to not speak generally but specifically to the case. Sperm bank for women and surrogate moms are non-existent in Ghana. Take a walk on any random street and ask (1) how that woman became pregnant (2) why the child calls the parent mom or dad and you'll get traditional answers. That said, child birth/procreation isn't what the bill protects. We have no such issue in the country.
    - ido 5y ago
      the person i answered asked a very general question.
- aatharuv 5y ago
  They adopt. There are plenty of children in the foster care system or orphanages depending on the country whose lives would be greatly improved if they lived with parents regardless of the combinations of genitals or gender identity of those parents. Or those who are richer and/or in richer countries can use various artificial means.
- FredPret 5y ago
  They experiment in college
- exo762 5y ago
  They have children with heterosexual partners. Old as world.
Freak_NL 5y ago
Indeed hardly. If you want to push up the birth rate, do the reverse of what is done to (sensibly) limit it: stop girls from getting an education, promote means of maintaining a patriarchal society (e.g, specific branches of organised religion), limit independent journalism, block foreign media — there is a huge list of actually effective strategies to boneheadedly resort to. Anti-LGBT+ laws serve a different purpose: useful scapegoats. How is this different from Hungary and Poland?
46382363636 5y ago
Don't say that so loudly, sexual orientation is slowly being labeled as transphobic.
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legerdemain 5y ago
A prominent world-award-winning fantasy author summarized a convincing argument on the subject a number of years back.[1] His argument is that heterosexual marriage is both necessary and challenging because of the natural differences between the sexes. If we remove stigma from same-sex unions, such as through the efforts of activists, men will tend to prefer same-sex relationships because they are simpler and more enjoyable: > Men, after all, know what men like far better than > women do; women know how women think and feel far > better than men do. But a man and a woman come > together as strangers and their natural impulses > remain at odds throughout their lives, requiring > constant compromise, suppression of natural desires, > and an unending effort to learn how to get through > the intersexual swamp. [1] http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html
- hairofadog 5y ago
  So the argument is that if being gay is legal, straight men will turn gay because it's easier than dealing with women? And that strikes you as a convincing argument, does it?
- yongjik 5y ago
  Assuming you aren't trolling, it sounds like you are actually homosexual, you don't know it due to your upbringing, and you're projecting because you think (just like you do) all men are suppressing their inner homosexual desires. Not the first person to do so, either.
  - legerdemain 5y ago
    That is quite a creative hypothesis to level at the author of this essay and the significant fraction of the world's population who agree with its sentiment.
    - yongjik 5y ago
      Have you read what you wrote yourself? > ... men will tend to prefer same-sex relationships because they are simpler and more enjoyable (emphasis mine) The world's population who agree with this sentiment is usually called "gays." Also, there's nothing wrong with being gay. Don't be like one of those preachers who get caught in bed.

moate 5y ago

It doesn't, but if you try to ground your homophobia in "evolutionary science" or "social capitalism" then you're not a bad person, you're just staying "facts"!

jsbdk 5y ago

How exactly do gay people have children?

redisman 5y ago
Adoption and surrogate births. Fucking is a very small part of parenthood
- jsbdk 5y ago
  But those aren't really the couple's children.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    I think the overwhelming majority of adopted children would disagree. One's "real" parents aren't always one's biological parents, even outside of formal adoption (cf. plenty of Americans realizing that their older "sister" is actually their mother).
courtf 5y ago
Let me tell you bout the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees. There's also adoption.
ido 5y ago
Sperm bank for women. Surrogate mothers for men. I know several lesbians who have children.
- yawboakye 5y ago
  You’d do well to not speak generally but specifically to the case. Sperm bank for women and surrogate moms are non-existent in Ghana. Take a walk on any random street and ask (1) how that woman became pregnant (2) why the child calls the parent mom or dad and you'll get traditional answers. That said, child birth/procreation isn't what the bill protects. We have no such issue in the country.
  - ido 5y ago
    the person i answered asked a very general question.
aatharuv 5y ago
They adopt. There are plenty of children in the foster care system or orphanages depending on the country whose lives would be greatly improved if they lived with parents regardless of the combinations of genitals or gender identity of those parents. Or those who are richer and/or in richer countries can use various artificial means.
FredPret 5y ago
They experiment in college
exo762 5y ago
They have children with heterosexual partners. Old as world.

Freak_NL 5y ago

Indeed hardly. If you want to push up the birth rate, do the reverse of what is done to (sensibly) limit it: stop girls from getting an education, promote means of maintaining a patriarchal society (e.g, specific branches of organised religion), limit independent journalism, block foreign media — there is a huge list of actually effective strategies to boneheadedly resort to. Anti-LGBT+ laws serve a different purpose: useful scapegoats. How is this different from Hungary and Poland?

46382363636 5y ago

Don't say that so loudly, sexual orientation is slowly being labeled as transphobic.

deleted 5y ago

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legerdemain 5y ago

A prominent world-award-winning fantasy author summarized a convincing argument on the subject a number of years back.[1] His argument is that heterosexual marriage is both necessary and challenging because of the natural differences between the sexes. If we remove stigma from same-sex unions, such as through the efforts of activists, men will tend to prefer same-sex relationships because they are simpler and more enjoyable: > Men, after all, know what men like far better than > women do; women know how women think and feel far > better than men do. But a man and a woman come > together as strangers and their natural impulses > remain at odds throughout their lives, requiring > constant compromise, suppression of natural desires, > and an unending effort to learn how to get through > the intersexual swamp. [1] http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

hairofadog 5y ago
So the argument is that if being gay is legal, straight men will turn gay because it's easier than dealing with women? And that strikes you as a convincing argument, does it?
yongjik 5y ago
Assuming you aren't trolling, it sounds like you are actually homosexual, you don't know it due to your upbringing, and you're projecting because you think (just like you do) all men are suppressing their inner homosexual desires. Not the first person to do so, either.
- legerdemain 5y ago
  That is quite a creative hypothesis to level at the author of this essay and the significant fraction of the world's population who agree with its sentiment.
  - yongjik 5y ago
    Have you read what you wrote yourself? > ... men will tend to prefer same-sex relationships because they are simpler and more enjoyable (emphasis mine) The world's population who agree with this sentiment is usually called "gays." Also, there's nothing wrong with being gay. Don't be like one of those preachers who get caught in bed.