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Capitalism tends to produce more of the thing that people demand. I would wonder why people want this kind of home. I myself am not a US person, don't understan

Capitalism tends to produce more of the thing that people demand. I would wonder why people want this kind of home. I myself am not a US person, don't understand why.

Schiendelman 5y ago
Because it’s regulation in the form of zoning that produces these homes, not capitalism.
closeparen 5y ago
These places offer a level of perceived safety [0] and measured public school performance that are somewhere between outrageously expensive and impossible to replicate in an urban setting. Not many people are excited* about living here and don’t choose it in their 20s, but in your 30s it’s understood that you’re not going to walk your child past needles and homeless encampments to a 2/10 school. It’s also understood that doing anything about the needles and homeless encampments would be a human rights violation, even if somehow the money were available, which it’s not. Mechanisms which once allowed upper-middle-class urban families to put their kids in good* public schools, like testing-based admissions, are also being recognized as unjust and dismantled. [0] The absence of threatening humans makes them feel safe, but what we should really be worried about are all the vehicle miles traveled.
- watwut 5y ago
  > in your 30s it’s understood that you’re not going to walk your child past needles and homeless encampments to a 2/10 school. You don't need to live in suburbs to achieve that, really. And in suburbs you dont walk child to school all that often, you drive them anyway. > It’s also understood that doing anything about the needles and homeless encampments would be a human rights violation, even if somehow the money were available, which it’s not. I mean this 100% seriously: you can actually do things about homelessness that are not human rights violations. Big amount of homelessness is literally consequence of policies - and not the ones that seek to help people.
  - closeparen 5y ago
    We can surely do a lot more to mitigate the suffering that is mostly invisible to begin with. But as long as there exists a right to decline drug treatment or behave unacceptably in shared housing, then go camp out in the main pedestrian thoroughfare, at least a few people are going to do it, and the city will feel like that kind of place. Even in SF with a massive homeless population, it’s fewer than 10 faces I see over and over. I still want to help the thousands living in their cars, crashing on friends couches, or sleeping in out of the way places. But it’s the 10 dudes being aggressive in very public places who are why it’s unpopular to raise kids here.
    - bombcar 5y ago
      SF just needs to build up a bit and have connected walkways between each building that the homeless are not allowed into. It’s effectively what we end up with.
    - watwut 5y ago
      Fun fact: New Yourk does not have all that lower homelessness. They however have more shelters and generally systems so it not as acute.

Capitalism tends to produce more of the thing that people demand. I would wonder why people want this kind of home. I myself am not a US person, don't understand why.

Schiendelman 5y ago

Because it’s regulation in the form of zoning that produces these homes, not capitalism.

closeparen 5y ago

These places offer a level of perceived safety [0] and measured public school performance that are somewhere between outrageously expensive and impossible to replicate in an urban setting. Not many people are excited* about living here and don’t choose it in their 20s, but in your 30s it’s understood that you’re not going to walk your child past needles and homeless encampments to a 2/10 school. It’s also understood that doing anything about the needles and homeless encampments would be a human rights violation, even if somehow the money were available, which it’s not. Mechanisms which once allowed upper-middle-class urban families to put their kids in good* public schools, like testing-based admissions, are also being recognized as unjust and dismantled. [0] The absence of threatening humans makes them feel safe, but what we should really be worried about are all the vehicle miles traveled.

watwut 5y ago
> in your 30s it’s understood that you’re not going to walk your child past needles and homeless encampments to a 2/10 school. You don't need to live in suburbs to achieve that, really. And in suburbs you dont walk child to school all that often, you drive them anyway. > It’s also understood that doing anything about the needles and homeless encampments would be a human rights violation, even if somehow the money were available, which it’s not. I mean this 100% seriously: you can actually do things about homelessness that are not human rights violations. Big amount of homelessness is literally consequence of policies - and not the ones that seek to help people.
- closeparen 5y ago
  We can surely do a lot more to mitigate the suffering that is mostly invisible to begin with. But as long as there exists a right to decline drug treatment or behave unacceptably in shared housing, then go camp out in the main pedestrian thoroughfare, at least a few people are going to do it, and the city will feel like that kind of place. Even in SF with a massive homeless population, it’s fewer than 10 faces I see over and over. I still want to help the thousands living in their cars, crashing on friends couches, or sleeping in out of the way places. But it’s the 10 dudes being aggressive in very public places who are why it’s unpopular to raise kids here.
  - bombcar 5y ago
    SF just needs to build up a bit and have connected walkways between each building that the homeless are not allowed into. It’s effectively what we end up with.
  - watwut 5y ago
    Fun fact: New Yourk does not have all that lower homelessness. They however have more shelters and generally systems so it not as acute.