100%. I spent 5+ years of my life helping cloud foundry take off, and saw the enormous benefits of having your own private Heroku. But the market overwhelming

100%. I spent 5+ years of my life helping cloud foundry take off, and saw the enormous benefits of having your own private Heroku. But the market overwhelmingly decided it wanted to play with a lower level foundation (those CF instances mostly are still chugging along running hundreds of thousands of containers, but they’re in their own world… “legacy”?). Let’s own it and not delude ourselves that the current state of Kubernetes is the end state. It’s like saying the Linux syscall interface is too complex for app developers. Well yes! It’s for system developers. We as an industry are working to improve that.