As a frontend developer, I love to run applications in production, being able to get a terminal to my server, setup metrics, and do all these devopsy things. B

As a frontend developer, I love to run applications in production, being able to get a terminal to my server, setup metrics, and do all these devopsy things. But it is a totally different experience from doing this with Appengine, Heroku, Tsuru, etc... than with a custom in house built kubernetes plus a thousand custom home made tools and 10 different repositories with custom undocumented YAML files and another 3000 "gotchas" of things that don't work yet, we're on it, we need to migrate to the new version,etc. So I symphatize with the parent comment in the sense that, in this custom built mountain of stuff, I don't want to do deveops... if you give me an easy to use, well tested, well documented, stable production infrastructure as the ones I mentioend, then I'm all in. I also agree with you on your last paragraphs about not exposing the raw thing to the developers. This is the key. The problem is when the systems gurus want you to understand to the same level everything they understand, your frontend coworkers want you to be on the latest of every library, your product manager wants you to perfectly understand the product, your manager expect you to be the best at dealing with people, and you still have to smile and be happy about team building... oh, and don't forget the Agile Coach expecting you to also be good at all the team dynamics and card games. I'm all in in operating the applications my team builds. Having to operate custom in house kubernetes clusterfucks is not my job.