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> she still has the PM's favour Which, as you know, is not the only kind of favour that exists, especially in a political context. > and she hasn't been discr
by zimpenfish 5y ago
> she still has the PM's favour
Which, as you know, is not the only kind of favour that exists, especially in a political context.
> and she hasn't been discredited - she still has her credentials
Again, you're taking a very limited and specific meaning of the word to bolster your position - you can easily be discredited with the wider audience and still be in your position (cf Boris Johnson for a prime example.)
> you could find someone who doesn't like any politician, but we don't call them discredited because some angry person doesn't like them any more
No, we would not. But if many angry persons disliked them because they continually displayed verifiable traits like lying, cheating, corruption, etc., we could perfectly well call them "discredited" or "disgraced", yes.
- chrisseaton 5y agoMany angry people dislike any politician. And of course we all know the real reason why Priti Patel rubs so many people up the wrong way... she's a non-white daughter of immigrants.
- pydry 5y agoFunny you should say that. I have a friend in the UK army and his army colleagues are some of the most racist people you'll ever meet. The army is seemingly a hotbed of nick griffin/farage supporters. They're fans of priti patel too. The British racist far right really like her immigration policies if nothing else.
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- chrisseaton 5y agohttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/does-nobody-talk-racist-abuse-aimed-priti-patel/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/does-nobody-talk-raci... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-those-who-abuse-priti-patel-get-a-free-pass- https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-those-who-abuse-p... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/howard-beckett-labour-suspends-union-tweet-priti-patel-deported-b935123.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/howard-beckett-labo... I think whatever your politics we think we should stop and challenge when angry white men are calling for a white minority woman with immigrant parents to be deported, or similar obvious whistles or abuse, because they don't like her opinions.
- pydry 5y agoIt's completely self evident that as the person responsible for untold suffering through the UK's increasingly punitive immigration policies they'd like her to see her face a taste of her own medicine. It's equally predictable that the British right and far right would try to deflect this criticism by playing the race card. I think whatever your politics we should stop and challenge when an angry white man tries to use cynical, performative, pearl clutching trumped up false accusations of racism to deflect criticism away from vicious and entirely real kind of racism they enthusiastically endorse.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> It's completely self evident that as the person responsible for untold suffering through the UK's increasingly punitive immigration policies they'd like her to see her face a taste of her own medicine. Yes that was obvious to anyone with common sense. But when challenged they denied that's what they ever meant! Dog whistling. And rightfully called out as so by others on the left.
- pydry 5y agoHe didn't deny that was what he meant. It was "called out" by Chris Bryant - a member of Labour Friends for Israel and thus very much a pretend member "of the left". This is the same group that sent a delegation to Isaac Herzog, a party leader who is unapologetically and publicly racist to apologize for "anti-semitism" in the Labour party that barely existed. This is, again, how racists protect each other - with false accusations of racism against anti-racists.
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