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I agree, but if memory servers correct they are lying here. Or at least being extremely disingenuous. They didn't discourage children under 13 years old from us

I agree, but if memory servers correct they are lying here. Or at least being extremely disingenuous. They didn't discourage children under 13 years old from using Audacity. They forbade children under 13 years old from using Audacity.

viraptor 5y ago
That's not correct. The actual quote was: > The App we provide is not intended for individuals below the age of 13. If you are under 13 years old, please do not use the App. They did not forbid it.
- okamiueru 5y ago
  That's a very interesting nuance. What does "please do not" mean in this context, and could its intended effect be?
- papishow 5y ago
  Thank you for that correction, it seems I have been led astray by some interesting reporting then.
- heurisko 5y ago
  "Please do not use the App" is forbidding use of the app.
- Gravityloss 5y ago
  What's the motivation for age being mentioned at all?
  - p_l 5y ago
    Because children couldn't be a party to the privacy policy involved in the surveillance
    - Gravityloss 5y ago
      Could it be made so that only adults could opt in?
      - rhizome 5y ago
        Legally in the US, adults are the only people that TOS applies to. Minors can't enter into contracts, of which a TOS is one.
2Gkashmiri 5y ago
I need to understand. Lets say I have an inquisitive 8 year old kid at home who does arduino and pi and 3d printing and Python and now even does YouTube and stuff. They are saying now that they have implemented telemetry that a resident offline software cannot be used by aged 13 and below? Why? What has the law to do with offline apps on a personal computer owned by a family home when the machine is supposed to be "family machine". The next thing you know windows will forbid ages 13 and below from using their products? Its not like there are dangers of pedos by using audacity? What about "YouTube kids"? How is that allowed when its online with automated content moderation but audacity is not for kids?
- jeeva 5y ago
  As I read it this was (based on the previous revision of the policy) - "we're planning to store some data on all users, with no way to opt out. However, in some regions, we cannot/shouldn't store data on people who are 13 or under. So, if you're 13 or under, please don't use this software as we'll be storing data on you."

viraptor 5y ago

That's not correct. The actual quote was: > The App we provide is not intended for individuals below the age of 13. If you are under 13 years old, please do not use the App. They did not forbid it.

okamiueru 5y ago
That's a very interesting nuance. What does "please do not" mean in this context, and could its intended effect be?
papishow 5y ago
Thank you for that correction, it seems I have been led astray by some interesting reporting then.
heurisko 5y ago
"Please do not use the App" is forbidding use of the app.
Gravityloss 5y ago
What's the motivation for age being mentioned at all?
- p_l 5y ago
  Because children couldn't be a party to the privacy policy involved in the surveillance
  - Gravityloss 5y ago
    Could it be made so that only adults could opt in?
    - rhizome 5y ago
      Legally in the US, adults are the only people that TOS applies to. Minors can't enter into contracts, of which a TOS is one.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

I need to understand. Lets say I have an inquisitive 8 year old kid at home who does arduino and pi and 3d printing and Python and now even does YouTube and stuff. They are saying now that they have implemented telemetry that a resident offline software cannot be used by aged 13 and below? Why? What has the law to do with offline apps on a personal computer owned by a family home when the machine is supposed to be "family machine". The next thing you know windows will forbid ages 13 and below from using their products? Its not like there are dangers of pedos by using audacity? What about "YouTube kids"? How is that allowed when its online with automated content moderation but audacity is not for kids?

jeeva 5y ago
As I read it this was (based on the previous revision of the policy) - "we're planning to store some data on all users, with no way to opt out. However, in some regions, we cannot/shouldn't store data on people who are 13 or under. So, if you're 13 or under, please don't use this software as we'll be storing data on you."