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No I don't mean Rawls. Justice, in this context, means giving to each man what he deserves. This includes not punishing men who don't deserve to be punished. "

No I don't mean Rawls. Justice, in this context, means giving to each man what he deserves. This includes not punishing men who don't deserve to be punished. "Society" has no claim on the output of the members of society. Actually, there is no such thing as society above and beyond "the members of society." What you're claiming is that "the members of society" have a claim on "the members of society," but obviously it doesn't manifest itself in a just way otherwise you could only claim what you deserve, or in other words you wouldn't claim anything from anyone else without mutual agreement. What your statement really means is that one group of people in society "the needy" have a claim on another group "the productive." As a productive "member of society" you are forced at the point of a gun (don't pay your taxes, then defend yourself from being arrested) to support the most worthless scum on earth as long as he has the social grace of being "needy." Need does not produce food, need does not build houses -- those are productive efforts -- but need is the ultimate claim on the life and labor of all the productive members of society. If you want to help the needy so much, I will not stop you, please feel free to spend every last penny you have supporting them -- but leave me out of it. I have a right to live my life as much as they have a right to squander theirs.

lovich 5y ago
> No I don't mean Rawls. Justice, in this context, means giving to each man what he deserves. Yo, we took an informal vote and it looks like everyone agrees that businesses don’t “deserve” cheap labor.
hug 5y ago
With regards to the "principles of justice", your definition of justice is awful: It doesn't line up with any accepted dictionary or academic definition of the term. It lines up really nicely with the objectivist movement, though, which is pretty widely derided as hot garbage. Anyhow, even if I agreed with your concept of "justice", your definition of society is also wonky, if you imagine that it can only be defined by the sum of its current constituents. Society does not consist of only your contemporaries, and is not made up only of the efforts of those who are currently contributing. You, as a member of whatever society you are member of, benefit from the contributions of the members of society who have come before you. To some degree, you also suffer from the mistakes of those before you as well. The society you are a member of gives you a great many affordances, some of which you are able to benefit from more than others due to your circumstance, and some of which you do not benefit from at all. If you believe that you have not benefited from the society you live in, at the expense of others, you need to think on it a little longer.

lovich 5y ago

> No I don't mean Rawls. Justice, in this context, means giving to each man what he deserves. Yo, we took an informal vote and it looks like everyone agrees that businesses don’t “deserve” cheap labor.

hug 5y ago

With regards to the "principles of justice", your definition of justice is awful: It doesn't line up with any accepted dictionary or academic definition of the term. It lines up really nicely with the objectivist movement, though, which is pretty widely derided as hot garbage. Anyhow, even if I agreed with your concept of "justice", your definition of society is also wonky, if you imagine that it can only be defined by the sum of its current constituents. Society does not consist of only your contemporaries, and is not made up only of the efforts of those who are currently contributing. You, as a member of whatever society you are member of, benefit from the contributions of the members of society who have come before you. To some degree, you also suffer from the mistakes of those before you as well. The society you are a member of gives you a great many affordances, some of which you are able to benefit from more than others due to your circumstance, and some of which you do not benefit from at all. If you believe that you have not benefited from the society you live in, at the expense of others, you need to think on it a little longer.