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I agree with what you're saying. It's kind of hard to excuse not taking the time to know the risks though. And in this case (covid) I've noticed a very interes

by oblib 5y ago

I agree with what you're saying. It's kind of hard to excuse not taking the time to know the risks though. And in this case (covid) I've noticed a very interesting common line of thought. Over and over I've been told on FB "There a 99.5% chance you'll survive" by those who've refused to get vaxxed. (I live near the nation's latest hot spot, Branson, MO). It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here and if you frame that same subject differently by saying "You have a one in fifty chance of dying" it "feels" a lot different. Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused. I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it. But if our sources were only and any of the Big TV News Corporations we got a very tilted view. Much the same as I got from my first wife's doctors. All that said, I think Fauci has done a very good job of telling us where we stand. The media has used him like a ping-pong ball and that's pretty sad.

giantg2 5y ago
"It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here" I thought this varies widely by age group, sex, and comorbidities? For example, a 30 year old man has a 99.97% chance of survival. And this doesn't even account for comorbidities. Now 3 in 10k is still a relatively large risk, but nowhere near 1 in 50. So the value proposition varies greatly by age group and risk factors, including lifestyle risk factors like WFH v in the office. For example, I was invited to diner at a restaurant by my in-laws. We had eaten outside there before, so I assumed that was happening again (or I would have declined). Instead they got there first and got an indoor seat for some unknown reason. The vaccine is about 95% effective at preventing serious infection and death. My father in law is in an age group with mortality rates about 4% (and be has multiple comorbidities). He started lecturing me about how I need a vaccine NOW when his risk of dying even with the vaccine was multiple times higher than mine (5%x4%=.2% v .03%). Now that was months ago, and I planned on getting my vaccination later when more data was available right before going back to the office (in the process now), where I would essentially be guaranteed to contract the virus if I didn't. My strategy seems to have worked for me since we are now learning the J&J vaccine might not be as effective as the others against delta and I was also able to view the VAERS data, as shoddy as it may be, for specific events in my age group to select the vaccine with lower rates (Pfizer). "Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused." I completely agree. "I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it." I agree on short term risks. There is one area that I couldn't find much info on - autoimmune conditions. My concern is that these conditions can take years to show up in many cases. We are using our own cells to grow the spike, so what happens if our immune system keys off other proteins that still exist on the cell in addition to the spike protein? It appears that severe covid infection generates higher numbers of autoimmune antibodies than the general population, so there is some risk of that even if one is not vaccinated. There just really isn't much info out there on this. https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163 https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...

by oblib 5y ago

giantg2 5y ago

"It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here" I thought this varies widely by age group, sex, and comorbidities? For example, a 30 year old man has a 99.97% chance of survival. And this doesn't even account for comorbidities. Now 3 in 10k is still a relatively large risk, but nowhere near 1 in 50. So the value proposition varies greatly by age group and risk factors, including lifestyle risk factors like WFH v in the office. For example, I was invited to diner at a restaurant by my in-laws. We had eaten outside there before, so I assumed that was happening again (or I would have declined). Instead they got there first and got an indoor seat for some unknown reason. The vaccine is about 95% effective at preventing serious infection and death. My father in law is in an age group with mortality rates about 4% (and be has multiple comorbidities). He started lecturing me about how I need a vaccine NOW when his risk of dying even with the vaccine was multiple times higher than mine (5%x4%=.2% v .03%). Now that was months ago, and I planned on getting my vaccination later when more data was available right before going back to the office (in the process now), where I would essentially be guaranteed to contract the virus if I didn't. My strategy seems to have worked for me since we are now learning the J&J vaccine might not be as effective as the others against delta and I was also able to view the VAERS data, as shoddy as it may be, for specific events in my age group to select the vaccine with lower rates (Pfizer). "Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused." I completely agree. "I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it." I agree on short term risks. There is one area that I couldn't find much info on - autoimmune conditions. My concern is that these conditions can take years to show up in many cases. We are using our own cells to grow the spike, so what happens if our immune system keys off other proteins that still exist on the cell in addition to the spike protein? It appears that severe covid infection generates higher numbers of autoimmune antibodies than the general population, so there is some risk of that even if one is not vaccinated. There just really isn't much info out there on this. https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163 https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...