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By most definitions you would find that the Catholic Church in its current form is an oppressive regime. It definitely takes a lot of courage for a gay man to b
by zeteo 5y ago
By most definitions you would find that the Catholic Church in its current form is an oppressive regime. It definitely takes a lot of courage for a gay man to become a priest in such an organization.
- lurquer 5y agoWhat is so courageous about violating one’s oaths? If you want to go to gay bars and pick up guys on Grindr, leave the priesthood. If you want to be celibate and follow church teachings, quit going to gay bars. But, there’s nothing ‘courageous’ about trying to have your cake and eat it too.
- mikem170 5y agoDoesn't the church teach that we are all born sinners (original sin), meaning that nobody is perfect, but that one can confess their sins, repent, and be forgiven? Doesn't that apply to priests, also? Or do they loose their priesthood if they sin? Have they treated gay priests differently than child abusing priests?
- throwawayboise 5y agoPriests go to confession, but they are also held to a higher standard. Not being Catholic, I don't know where the lines are as far as sin that would get a priest defrocked.
- lurquer 5y agoThey are not held to a higher standard. But, they have certain rules they are to follow if they wish to be a priest. If you swear to follow the rules, you should do so. If not, quit. It had nothing to do with Catholicism. If you’re a Rabbi leading a synagogue you shouldn’t sneak off on the Sabbath and gorge on pork sandwiches. Nobody would call such a Rabbi ‘courageous.’ They’d call him a hypocrite. Hell, it doesn’t even have to do with religion. If your job prohibits you from smoking marijuana, and you swear you won’t, nobody should call you ‘courageous’ if you’re busted smoking weed.
- lurquer 5y agoI don’t care about sin. My comment was about using the term ‘courageous.’ The use of that term is just knee-jerk virtue signaling merely because it involved a gay guy. Priests are to be celibate. If you don’t like the rules, don’t be a priest. If it was a priest who got caught having sex with women he met on tinder and going to strip clubs, nobody would call him ‘courageous.’ They’d call him a bad priest... there’s nothing admirable about it. But replace ‘tinder’ with ‘Grindr’ and ‘strip club’ with ‘gay bar’ and the dipshit priest is suddenly ‘courageous’? Are adulterers ‘courageous’ for breaking their vows and cheating on their spouse?
- pvaldes 5y agoBeing gay and a catholic priest is not a problem at all. Enjoying a special social status as figure of moral authority that renounced to sex in public, while looking actively for casual sex in private, is the real problem.
- pseudalopex 5y agoChurch guidelines direct Catholic seminaries to exclude candidates with "uncertain sexual identity; deep-seated homosexual tendencies; etc."[1] [1] https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20080628_orientamenti_en.html https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/d...
- cjfd 5y agoguideline: description of what should happen in a certain case and which may or may not be in any way related to actually happens.
- zeteo 5y agoYou must be confusing Catholic for some other denomination. Can you provide a single actual example of someone who publicly admitted to being gay and is still a Catholic priest?