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> Tarring an entire sex as having any problem in particular is disgusting. Yes, and it misses the point. “I have a problem with men coming up to me at work an

> Tarring an entire sex as having any problem in particular is disgusting. Yes, and it misses the point. “I have a problem with men coming up to me at work and slapping my ass” Should not be responded to with “No men I know have done that, this is clearly sexist!” It’s a semantic argument that doesn’t address the actual problem.

Karunamon 5y ago
>Yes All that needed to be said. The point is that the statement is a sexist generalization and did not need to be. Nothing more, nothing less. I find double standards on prejudicial statements to be infuriating, doubly so when they're targeted at me, extra points for when they're accusing me of things that, not only would I never do, that I have called out people for doing in real life. Minimizing it as a 'semantic argument' ignores the harm that stereotyping causes.
- taurath 5y ago
  It’s whataboutism. It’s changing the subject. It’s not grappling with the actual problem being presented. It’s presuming a bad faith attack on you via the group of words chosen. It’s about you having a desperate fear of being accused of something you didn’t do - it should be obvious that someone saying “men” is not literally talking about ALL MEN but you pretend as if it isn’t, and hijack the conversation. Your argument in a vacuum I have no problem with - the frequency it comes up in order to distract from the context in which it comes up is troubling to say the least, and is something often done by bad faith actors. I’m not accusing you of bad faith - however, I’d invite you to look at the directionality of where the conversation has gone. Namely, very far away from the person being harmed and squarely into your feelings of being excluded. For posterity I repost your original comment. OP > As a woman in tech, the problem is that men start hitting on you when they’ve had a few beers. YOU > I'm sorry you had to work with unprofessional assholes that won't take 'no' for an answer, but your experience is not license to slander literally half of the planet. Your argument is as if the OP was saying that half of men on the planet come and hit on her specifically and inappropriately. For fucks sake.

Karunamon 5y ago

>Yes All that needed to be said. The point is that the statement is a sexist generalization and did not need to be. Nothing more, nothing less. I find double standards on prejudicial statements to be infuriating, doubly so when they're targeted at me, extra points for when they're accusing me of things that, not only would I never do, that I have called out people for doing in real life. Minimizing it as a 'semantic argument' ignores the harm that stereotyping causes.

taurath 5y ago
It’s whataboutism. It’s changing the subject. It’s not grappling with the actual problem being presented. It’s presuming a bad faith attack on you via the group of words chosen. It’s about you having a desperate fear of being accused of something you didn’t do - it should be obvious that someone saying “men” is not literally talking about ALL MEN but you pretend as if it isn’t, and hijack the conversation. Your argument in a vacuum I have no problem with - the frequency it comes up in order to distract from the context in which it comes up is troubling to say the least, and is something often done by bad faith actors. I’m not accusing you of bad faith - however, I’d invite you to look at the directionality of where the conversation has gone. Namely, very far away from the person being harmed and squarely into your feelings of being excluded. For posterity I repost your original comment. OP > As a woman in tech, the problem is that men start hitting on you when they’ve had a few beers. YOU > I'm sorry you had to work with unprofessional assholes that won't take 'no' for an answer, but your experience is not license to slander literally half of the planet. Your argument is as if the OP was saying that half of men on the planet come and hit on her specifically and inappropriately. For fucks sake.