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Simply put, I'd like to make the most my negotiation position makes possible. Different people with the same qualifications and title would not have the same ci

Simply put, I'd like to make the most my negotiation position makes possible. Different people with the same qualifications and title would not have the same circumstances. If negotiation played no role, the practical outcome is that wages would stagnate as employers would engage in some version of a cartel, which would be worse for the people at the bottom of the bell curve as well.

swiftcoder 5y ago
> If negotiation played no role, the practical outcome is that wages would stagnate as employers would engage in some version of a cartel, which would be worse for the people at the bottom of the bell curve as well. You mean, the thing that repeatedly happens under the existing system, despite negotiation? For example, https://www.cnet.com/news/google-adobe-apple-intel-settle-wage-fixing-lawsuit/ https://www.cnet.com/news/google-adobe-apple-intel-settle-wa...
- astrange 5y ago
  Cartels are weak because every individual member and every non-member is motivated to break them. That particular one was broken by Facebook.
- SuoDuanDao 5y ago
  Exactly that thing. If you believe it wouldn't be a lot worse with no negotiation I'd like to hear your reasoning.
  - swiftcoder 5y ago
    Negotiation is entirely irrelevant. Why should a 2-5x variance in individual compensation factor into whether or not companies form a cartel to suppress all salaries?
    - SuoDuanDao 5y ago
      Because there needs to be a trickle to start the flood. All companies are incentivised to co-ordinate prices to some degree, it's the desire to fill a particular role quickly or poach a particular superstar that causes companies to break from whatever happens to be the"industry standard", and those variances become factors in future negotiations. If there was never any variance in individual pay there'd be no pressure to adjust salaries at all, barring collective action. Which has its own negative externalities.

swiftcoder 5y ago

> If negotiation played no role, the practical outcome is that wages would stagnate as employers would engage in some version of a cartel, which would be worse for the people at the bottom of the bell curve as well. You mean, the thing that repeatedly happens under the existing system, despite negotiation? For example, https://www.cnet.com/news/google-adobe-apple-intel-settle-wage-fixing-lawsuit/ https://www.cnet.com/news/google-adobe-apple-intel-settle-wa...

astrange 5y ago
Cartels are weak because every individual member and every non-member is motivated to break them. That particular one was broken by Facebook.
SuoDuanDao 5y ago
Exactly that thing. If you believe it wouldn't be a lot worse with no negotiation I'd like to hear your reasoning.
- swiftcoder 5y ago
  Negotiation is entirely irrelevant. Why should a 2-5x variance in individual compensation factor into whether or not companies form a cartel to suppress all salaries?
  - SuoDuanDao 5y ago
    Because there needs to be a trickle to start the flood. All companies are incentivised to co-ordinate prices to some degree, it's the desire to fill a particular role quickly or poach a particular superstar that causes companies to break from whatever happens to be the"industry standard", and those variances become factors in future negotiations. If there was never any variance in individual pay there'd be no pressure to adjust salaries at all, barring collective action. Which has its own negative externalities.