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No matter what the company will know everyone's salaries. The question is mainly whether you want to be ignorant, or not. Usually these things (at least with th

No matter what the company will know everyone's salaries. The question is mainly whether you want to be ignorant, or not. Usually these things (at least with the government) don't list experience, or educational attainment.

giantg2 5y ago
"Usually these things (at least with the government) don't list experience, or educational attainment." Seems pretty useless without that. Those are huge factors. "The question is mainly whether you want to be ignorant, or not." That's not the only question. The other question mostly being discussed here is if you want anyone to be able to know your salary by working backwards from the published list, specifically in small companies.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  > Seems pretty useless without that. Those are huge factors. The point is to allow for more transparency, not perfect transparency. > That's not the only question. The other question mostly being discussed here is if you want anyone to be able to know your salary by working backwards from the published list, specifically in small companies. In practice this doesn't matter, but even if this were an issue you could exempt employers with fewer than 100 employees.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "In practice this doesn't matter" How so? Even at 100 employees you might only have 5 tech leads. So the population of the subgroups matter. "The point is to allow for more transparency, not perfect transparency." What can we actually do with that transparency if it doesn't have the attributes necessary for meaningful comparison?
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      The point is to create a range in which both current and prospective employees can refer to. Obviously it's not perfect as that would require all information which would be a privacy concern. Are you arguing knowing nothing is better than knowing something?
      - giantg2 5y ago
        "Are you arguing knowing nothing is better than knowing something?" No one is saying that. That is a gross misinterpretation of my statements. "The point is to create a range in which both current and prospective employees can refer to." A range based on what? The point being discussed here is equal pay. Ranges dont help if you have all the women at the low end and the men at the high end, hypothetically. If you just want to post salary ranges by position you can do that without publishing individual salaries.

giantg2 5y ago

"Usually these things (at least with the government) don't list experience, or educational attainment." Seems pretty useless without that. Those are huge factors. "The question is mainly whether you want to be ignorant, or not." That's not the only question. The other question mostly being discussed here is if you want anyone to be able to know your salary by working backwards from the published list, specifically in small companies.

endisneigh 5y ago
> Seems pretty useless without that. Those are huge factors. The point is to allow for more transparency, not perfect transparency. > That's not the only question. The other question mostly being discussed here is if you want anyone to be able to know your salary by working backwards from the published list, specifically in small companies. In practice this doesn't matter, but even if this were an issue you could exempt employers with fewer than 100 employees.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "In practice this doesn't matter" How so? Even at 100 employees you might only have 5 tech leads. So the population of the subgroups matter. "The point is to allow for more transparency, not perfect transparency." What can we actually do with that transparency if it doesn't have the attributes necessary for meaningful comparison?
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    The point is to create a range in which both current and prospective employees can refer to. Obviously it's not perfect as that would require all information which would be a privacy concern. Are you arguing knowing nothing is better than knowing something?
    - giantg2 5y ago
      "Are you arguing knowing nothing is better than knowing something?" No one is saying that. That is a gross misinterpretation of my statements. "The point is to create a range in which both current and prospective employees can refer to." A range based on what? The point being discussed here is equal pay. Ranges dont help if you have all the women at the low end and the men at the high end, hypothetically. If you just want to post salary ranges by position you can do that without publishing individual salaries.