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>GamerGate started as an expose on how dishonest and corrupt video game journalism Not one word of this is true. Gamergate started by and has always been about

>GamerGate started as an expose on how dishonest and corrupt video game journalism Not one word of this is true. Gamergate started by and has always been about harassing women.

the_doctah 5y ago
That's patently false. Discourse still continues to this day on certain subreddits. We talk about ethics in gaming journalism, and oppose censorship and the woke mob. It's sad that some people decided to be harassers in the name of GG, but that is practically ancient history. If you think that's still true, you're part of the problem, because you believe everything the media and Twitter tells you.
- y2bd 5y ago
  As someone who was on the original five guys /v/ threads the idea that GG wasn’t born out of harassing Zoe Quinn is absolutely ridiculous.
  - the_doctah 5y ago
    I don't deny that happened. I'm just talking about current-day GG.
    - cycomanic 5y ago
      So you essentially confirm that GG was born from harassing women, and that lots of people continued harassing women even while people said it was always about ethics in journalism. No at some point the leftover people at some point had an about face, and said from now on we don't do harassment anymore and it's only about ethics in journalism. Let's consider this is true, but why on earth would this new "only about ethics in journalism" movement continue to wear the same GG label, and somehow be surprised (and annoyed) that people still associate the movement with harassment and mysogyny?
    - taurath 5y ago
      The Venn diagram between gamer gate adherents and 4chan based alt-right trolls is a circle.
      - baud147258 5y ago
        no, they aren't all based off 4chan (mostly because 4chan booted them). And not all are alt-right anyway
        taurath 5y ago
        Its literally a conservative culture war for people under 60 lol. Any gamergate space is an alt-right space and any alt-right space is a gamergate space.
- slg 5y ago
  This made me curious since I haven't heard much GG discourse recently so I went to /r/KotakuInAction since they bill themselves as "the main hub for GamerGate on Reddit". The third highest upvoted post over the last month is a mod that increases the butt size of a female character in a video game. Definitely seems to be a community focused on ethics with zero hint of sexism and misogyny. EDIT: So apparently I was wrong that it was specifically about the size of the butt. The headline is "There's now a mod to fix Miranda's butt in the Mass Effect remaster, for anyone that cares" and the screenshot is a big butt. I took "fixed Miranda's butt" to mean they fixed the appearance of it. The issue was instead that gratuities shots of said butt were removed not that the butt itself was changed. I don't think that changes the fundamental issue, but I apologize for my lack of ethics in games journalism.
  - the_doctah 5y ago
    You must be referring to the censorship of Miranda's butt in the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition remaster. The mod was to remove that censorship. But it is interesting what your initial assumptions about it were.
    - KittenInABox 5y ago
      How the heck is ass size of a fictional character something something journalistic integrity of video games?
      - mrRandomGuy 5y ago
        It obviously impacts my freedom of uh, being able to look at big CGI butts?
      - the_doctah 5y ago
        Like I said, it's about censorship in this case. GG encompasses more than journalistic integrity. Please learn to read. I already corrected the person who misunderstood that it's not a mod about increasing ass size.
    - jcranmer 5y ago
- McGlockenshire 5y ago
  > That's patently false. Gamergate started because a dude spread lies about his ex-gf. Not a single one of his accusations regarding her behavior or the behavior of employees of gaming websites was true. It was always, always about harassing women. It still is. The main places where Gamergate is still discussed are chock full of misogynist bullshit. The gaming publishing industry does have conflict of interest issues, but Gamergate approached and approaches the problem from an entirely wrong-headed point of view. Criticism of the industry should be entirely detached from the clusterfuck that is Gamergate.

>GamerGate started as an expose on how dishonest and corrupt video game journalism Not one word of this is true. Gamergate started by and has always been about harassing women.

the_doctah 5y ago

That's patently false. Discourse still continues to this day on certain subreddits. We talk about ethics in gaming journalism, and oppose censorship and the woke mob. It's sad that some people decided to be harassers in the name of GG, but that is practically ancient history. If you think that's still true, you're part of the problem, because you believe everything the media and Twitter tells you.

y2bd 5y ago
As someone who was on the original five guys /v/ threads the idea that GG wasn’t born out of harassing Zoe Quinn is absolutely ridiculous.
- the_doctah 5y ago
  I don't deny that happened. I'm just talking about current-day GG.
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    So you essentially confirm that GG was born from harassing women, and that lots of people continued harassing women even while people said it was always about ethics in journalism. No at some point the leftover people at some point had an about face, and said from now on we don't do harassment anymore and it's only about ethics in journalism. Let's consider this is true, but why on earth would this new "only about ethics in journalism" movement continue to wear the same GG label, and somehow be surprised (and annoyed) that people still associate the movement with harassment and mysogyny?
  - taurath 5y ago
    The Venn diagram between gamer gate adherents and 4chan based alt-right trolls is a circle.
    - baud147258 5y ago
      no, they aren't all based off 4chan (mostly because 4chan booted them). And not all are alt-right anyway
      - taurath 5y ago
        Its literally a conservative culture war for people under 60 lol. Any gamergate space is an alt-right space and any alt-right space is a gamergate space.
slg 5y ago
This made me curious since I haven't heard much GG discourse recently so I went to /r/KotakuInAction since they bill themselves as "the main hub for GamerGate on Reddit". The third highest upvoted post over the last month is a mod that increases the butt size of a female character in a video game. Definitely seems to be a community focused on ethics with zero hint of sexism and misogyny. EDIT: So apparently I was wrong that it was specifically about the size of the butt. The headline is "There's now a mod to fix Miranda's butt in the Mass Effect remaster, for anyone that cares" and the screenshot is a big butt. I took "fixed Miranda's butt" to mean they fixed the appearance of it. The issue was instead that gratuities shots of said butt were removed not that the butt itself was changed. I don't think that changes the fundamental issue, but I apologize for my lack of ethics in games journalism.
- the_doctah 5y ago
  You must be referring to the censorship of Miranda's butt in the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition remaster. The mod was to remove that censorship. But it is interesting what your initial assumptions about it were.
  - KittenInABox 5y ago
    How the heck is ass size of a fictional character something something journalistic integrity of video games?
    - mrRandomGuy 5y ago
      It obviously impacts my freedom of uh, being able to look at big CGI butts?
    - the_doctah 5y ago
      Like I said, it's about censorship in this case. GG encompasses more than journalistic integrity. Please learn to read. I already corrected the person who misunderstood that it's not a mod about increasing ass size.
  - jcranmer 5y ago
McGlockenshire 5y ago
> That's patently false. Gamergate started because a dude spread lies about his ex-gf. Not a single one of his accusations regarding her behavior or the behavior of employees of gaming websites was true. It was always, always about harassing women. It still is. The main places where Gamergate is still discussed are chock full of misogynist bullshit. The gaming publishing industry does have conflict of interest issues, but Gamergate approached and approaches the problem from an entirely wrong-headed point of view. Criticism of the industry should be entirely detached from the clusterfuck that is Gamergate.