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I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the el

I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. > Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. > They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. > ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone. Rinse, repeat.

adrianmsmith 5y ago
This is not so with Java. They have moved Java along a lot since they bought it; they released 1.8 finally, and have introduced lots of new features such as type inference since then. MySQL is also going strong after the acquisition. Lots of new features.
BossingAround 5y ago
And yet MySQL is very much alive..? Java has fully opensource implementations too, and has had innovations like GraalVM and Jakarta EE. I think I'm too young to hate Oracle with a burning passion. I would be very scared of their sales/corporate team, but I mean, even having large contracts with Google or Amazon is difficult to say the least.
- danpalmer 5y ago
  MySQL is alive for companies already using MySQL, but would well informed companies be choosing it today? I'm not so sure. I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres, you want a particular performance profile and you pick MariaDB, or you want the enterprise support and you pick Oracle's database. Why you would pick Oracle-supported MySQL today I'm not sure.
  - abledon 5y ago
    didn't the new basecamp "Hey" email product choose to use MySQL?
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      I think so, but they have been operating MySQL at scale for many products for about 20 years, so I can understand why they might not choose MariaDB (or Postgres, Oracle, etc).
  - threeseed 5y ago
    > have more functionality and you choose Postgres PostgreSQL still after all these years has a terrible story when it comes to HA and horizontal scalability. Nothing is built in or supported. And one of the only companies to provide something half decent i.e. Citus is now owned by Microsoft and so that project is now at risk. At least MySQL has something built-in.
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      So MariaDB then.
  - ericyan 5y ago
    Easy to operate, perhaps? With MySQL group replication, it is pretty easy to set up a HA cluster that allows you to sleep soundly. It can also handle thousands of connections without the need of a connection pooler.
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      Sure, but MariaDB is the more obvious choice surely?
      - evanelias 5y ago
        No, why do you think so? Among the largest users, MySQL (or Percona Server) is chosen far more frequently than MariaDB. GP mentioned Group Replication, which isn't even available in MariaDB.
  - redis_mlc 5y ago
    > I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres False. MySQL and Postgres are comparable feature-wise. @danpalmer: you're making an ass of yourself. It's clear from your comments that you're around 10 years out of date.
  - kaba0 5y ago
    That one is more on MySQL, isn’t it? They were the ones that sort of stopped innovating for a time.
  - VintageCool 5y ago
    Most people seem to be using the Percona Server branch of MySQL.
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      Good point, again this seems like another alternative that makes "stock" MySQL an option that there seems to be no good reason to choose.
voidfunc 5y ago
This is such a hilariously myopic HN take.
- mr_overalls 5y ago
  I work for a government agency in a rather poor flyover state. We ran Oracle databases and a few other products for multiple decades, until Oracle conducted an audit and decided to shake us down for everything we were worth. We migrated away from their products, but only after being forced into expensive multi-year subscriptions for products that we didn't need. I will never forget the arrogance and greed of their legal/sales people. They are bloodsucking sociopaths.
  - abraae 5y ago
    I'm no fan of oracle's audit approach but it sounds like you were expecting special leniency to not pay for their stuff - for decades - because you are a govt agency/ live in a low income place. Not how business works. If you're playing by the rules, no one can force you into any long term contracts you don't need.
    - myohmy 5y ago
      I'm also a government Oracle dev. I have no way of knowing what I'm licensed for and they don't disable the features we're not licensed for. I literally have to talk to my director to talk to our account rep to figure out that I'm not allowed to use table partitioning.
      - abraae 5y ago
        Agreed that Oracle licensing is byzantine, probably deliberately. But devil's advocate says that any organization should be aware of what they are actually licensed for, even if that means contracting a third party to ensure compliance.
        mr_overalls 5y ago
alberth 5y ago
Just curious, so which companies do people consider are creating/selling interesting and innovative ENTERPRISE software?
- llimos 5y ago
  Microsoft. King of the enterprise with no intention of losing the title. PowerApps, Power Automate etc. - while not necessarily innovative in a vacuum - are, when you consider they are bringing cloud-based automation and RPC to the (enterprise) masses.
- cutthegrass2 5y ago
  HashiCorp.
kaba0 5y ago
That’s the usual blind rhetoric against Oracle. Any factual info on how are they worse than the “good” companies that literally track every single step you take, that attack the very democracy of countries, that help the spread of dangerous anti-intellectual rhetorics, or the “usual” anti-union, shitty working condition giants? They dared sue the small mom&pop shop called Google for going against the Sun license of Java?

adrianmsmith 5y ago

This is not so with Java. They have moved Java along a lot since they bought it; they released 1.8 finally, and have introduced lots of new features such as type inference since then. MySQL is also going strong after the acquisition. Lots of new features.

BossingAround 5y ago

And yet MySQL is very much alive..? Java has fully opensource implementations too, and has had innovations like GraalVM and Jakarta EE. I think I'm too young to hate Oracle with a burning passion. I would be very scared of their sales/corporate team, but I mean, even having large contracts with Google or Amazon is difficult to say the least.

danpalmer 5y ago
MySQL is alive for companies already using MySQL, but would well informed companies be choosing it today? I'm not so sure. I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres, you want a particular performance profile and you pick MariaDB, or you want the enterprise support and you pick Oracle's database. Why you would pick Oracle-supported MySQL today I'm not sure.
- abledon 5y ago
  didn't the new basecamp "Hey" email product choose to use MySQL?
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    I think so, but they have been operating MySQL at scale for many products for about 20 years, so I can understand why they might not choose MariaDB (or Postgres, Oracle, etc).
- threeseed 5y ago
  > have more functionality and you choose Postgres PostgreSQL still after all these years has a terrible story when it comes to HA and horizontal scalability. Nothing is built in or supported. And one of the only companies to provide something half decent i.e. Citus is now owned by Microsoft and so that project is now at risk. At least MySQL has something built-in.
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    So MariaDB then.
- ericyan 5y ago
  Easy to operate, perhaps? With MySQL group replication, it is pretty easy to set up a HA cluster that allows you to sleep soundly. It can also handle thousands of connections without the need of a connection pooler.
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    Sure, but MariaDB is the more obvious choice surely?
    - evanelias 5y ago
      No, why do you think so? Among the largest users, MySQL (or Percona Server) is chosen far more frequently than MariaDB. GP mentioned Group Replication, which isn't even available in MariaDB.
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres False. MySQL and Postgres are comparable feature-wise. @danpalmer: you're making an ass of yourself. It's clear from your comments that you're around 10 years out of date.
- kaba0 5y ago
  That one is more on MySQL, isn’t it? They were the ones that sort of stopped innovating for a time.
- VintageCool 5y ago
  Most people seem to be using the Percona Server branch of MySQL.
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    Good point, again this seems like another alternative that makes "stock" MySQL an option that there seems to be no good reason to choose.

voidfunc 5y ago

This is such a hilariously myopic HN take.

mr_overalls 5y ago
I work for a government agency in a rather poor flyover state. We ran Oracle databases and a few other products for multiple decades, until Oracle conducted an audit and decided to shake us down for everything we were worth. We migrated away from their products, but only after being forced into expensive multi-year subscriptions for products that we didn't need. I will never forget the arrogance and greed of their legal/sales people. They are bloodsucking sociopaths.
- abraae 5y ago
  I'm no fan of oracle's audit approach but it sounds like you were expecting special leniency to not pay for their stuff - for decades - because you are a govt agency/ live in a low income place. Not how business works. If you're playing by the rules, no one can force you into any long term contracts you don't need.
  - myohmy 5y ago
    I'm also a government Oracle dev. I have no way of knowing what I'm licensed for and they don't disable the features we're not licensed for. I literally have to talk to my director to talk to our account rep to figure out that I'm not allowed to use table partitioning.
    - abraae 5y ago
      Agreed that Oracle licensing is byzantine, probably deliberately. But devil's advocate says that any organization should be aware of what they are actually licensed for, even if that means contracting a third party to ensure compliance.
      - mr_overalls 5y ago

alberth 5y ago

Just curious, so which companies do people consider are creating/selling interesting and innovative ENTERPRISE software?

llimos 5y ago
Microsoft. King of the enterprise with no intention of losing the title. PowerApps, Power Automate etc. - while not necessarily innovative in a vacuum - are, when you consider they are bringing cloud-based automation and RPC to the (enterprise) masses.
cutthegrass2 5y ago
HashiCorp.

kaba0 5y ago

That’s the usual blind rhetoric against Oracle. Any factual info on how are they worse than the “good” companies that literally track every single step you take, that attack the very democracy of countries, that help the spread of dangerous anti-intellectual rhetorics, or the “usual” anti-union, shitty working condition giants? They dared sue the small mom&pop shop called Google for going against the Sun license of Java?