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Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS. I've begun migrating my own projects over to their cloud. The savings on egress co

by maxk42 5y ago

Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS. I've begun migrating my own projects over to their cloud. The savings on egress costs alone pays dividends.

luhn 5y ago
That has nothing to do with MySQL. Facebook operates their own DCs and hasn't indicated any interest migrating elsewhere.
jmnicolas 5y ago
Tying yourself to Oracle is quite a risky choice in my opinion. After having used their non cloud products 10 years ago, I wouldn't do any business with them. At all.
- na85 5y ago
  I'd say the same about Facebook.
mr_overalls 5y ago
I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. > Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. > They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. > ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone. Rinse, repeat.
- adrianmsmith 5y ago
  This is not so with Java. They have moved Java along a lot since they bought it; they released 1.8 finally, and have introduced lots of new features such as type inference since then. MySQL is also going strong after the acquisition. Lots of new features.
- BossingAround 5y ago
  And yet MySQL is very much alive..? Java has fully opensource implementations too, and has had innovations like GraalVM and Jakarta EE. I think I'm too young to hate Oracle with a burning passion. I would be very scared of their sales/corporate team, but I mean, even having large contracts with Google or Amazon is difficult to say the least.
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    MySQL is alive for companies already using MySQL, but would well informed companies be choosing it today? I'm not so sure. I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres, you want a particular performance profile and you pick MariaDB, or you want the enterprise support and you pick Oracle's database. Why you would pick Oracle-supported MySQL today I'm not sure.
    - abledon 5y ago
      didn't the new basecamp "Hey" email product choose to use MySQL?
      - danpalmer 5y ago
        I think so, but they have been operating MySQL at scale for many products for about 20 years, so I can understand why they might not choose MariaDB (or Postgres, Oracle, etc).
    - threeseed 5y ago
      > have more functionality and you choose Postgres PostgreSQL still after all these years has a terrible story when it comes to HA and horizontal scalability. Nothing is built in or supported. And one of the only companies to provide something half decent i.e. Citus is now owned by Microsoft and so that project is now at risk. At least MySQL has something built-in.
      - danpalmer 5y ago
        So MariaDB then.
- voidfunc 5y ago
  This is such a hilariously myopic HN take.
  - mr_overalls 5y ago
    I work for a government agency in a rather poor flyover state. We ran Oracle databases and a few other products for multiple decades, until Oracle conducted an audit and decided to shake us down for everything we were worth. We migrated away from their products, but only after being forced into expensive multi-year subscriptions for products that we didn't need. I will never forget the arrogance and greed of their legal/sales people. They are bloodsucking sociopaths.
    - abraae 5y ago
      I'm no fan of oracle's audit approach but it sounds like you were expecting special leniency to not pay for their stuff - for decades - because you are a govt agency/ live in a low income place. Not how business works. If you're playing by the rules, no one can force you into any long term contracts you don't need.
      - myohmy 5y ago
        I'm also a government Oracle dev. I have no way of knowing what I'm licensed for and they don't disable the features we're not licensed for. I literally have to talk to my director to talk to our account rep to figure out that I'm not allowed to use table partitioning.
        abraae 5y ago
        Agreed that Oracle licensing is byzantine, probably deliberately. But devil's advocate says that any organization should be aware of what they are actually licensed for, even if that means contracting a third party to ensure compliance.
        mr_overalls 5y ago
- alberth 5y ago
  Just curious, so which companies do people consider are creating/selling interesting and innovative ENTERPRISE software?
  - llimos 5y ago
    Microsoft. King of the enterprise with no intention of losing the title. PowerApps, Power Automate etc. - while not necessarily innovative in a vacuum - are, when you consider they are bringing cloud-based automation and RPC to the (enterprise) masses.
  - cutthegrass2 5y ago
    HashiCorp.
- kaba0 5y ago
  That’s the usual blind rhetoric against Oracle. Any factual info on how are they worse than the “good” companies that literally track every single step you take, that attack the very democracy of countries, that help the spread of dangerous anti-intellectual rhetorics, or the “usual” anti-union, shitty working condition giants? They dared sue the small mom&pop shop called Google for going against the Sun license of Java?
sly010 5y ago
Totally off topic, but I found it funny that in the offical oracle cloud intro video the robot arm in the background misses the box, right as the narrator mentions the advantages of automation at 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s
- suyash 5y ago
  lol good eye! but it shows me how real tech works, nothing is 100% guranteed
- abledon 5y ago
  I hate oracle, but man do i love their art style branding, kind of a 'painting' vibe
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  I think you'll find the box missed the robot arm.
topspin 5y ago
> Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS Tell us more. Ignore the haters please. I'd love to have your insights.
- maxk42 5y ago
  It's all on their site - https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ Their price list is at https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html and the egress is under the "networking" section. Basically they give you 10TB outbound data transfer for free and charge as little as $0.0085 per GB after that. That's a savings of 90% (or 100% if you use less than 10TB transfer, which most apps do) Additionally their cloud servers (and most other services as well) are much cheaper than comparble EC2 instances and every one of their services I've used so far also includes a free tier so you can try them out without paying anything. All in all pretty pleased so far.
  - gunapologist99 5y ago
    Yeah, AWS (and Azure, and GCP) really has notoriously expensive bandwidth, and it's the one thing they will never budge on in negotiations, since they know it's where they have nearly 100% profit margin; you can avoid using most services, or use compute etc more efficiently, but it's hard to consume less bandwidth! It sounds like Oracle is actually pricing bandwidth at a reasonable price. This is quite a shock, coming from a historical perspective!

by maxk42 5y ago

Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS. I've begun migrating my own projects over to their cloud. The savings on egress costs alone pays dividends.

luhn 5y ago

That has nothing to do with MySQL. Facebook operates their own DCs and hasn't indicated any interest migrating elsewhere.

jmnicolas 5y ago

Tying yourself to Oracle is quite a risky choice in my opinion. After having used their non cloud products 10 years ago, I wouldn't do any business with them. At all.

na85 5y ago
I'd say the same about Facebook.

mr_overalls 5y ago

I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. > Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. > They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. > ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone. Rinse, repeat.

adrianmsmith 5y ago
This is not so with Java. They have moved Java along a lot since they bought it; they released 1.8 finally, and have introduced lots of new features such as type inference since then. MySQL is also going strong after the acquisition. Lots of new features.
BossingAround 5y ago
And yet MySQL is very much alive..? Java has fully opensource implementations too, and has had innovations like GraalVM and Jakarta EE. I think I'm too young to hate Oracle with a burning passion. I would be very scared of their sales/corporate team, but I mean, even having large contracts with Google or Amazon is difficult to say the least.
- danpalmer 5y ago
  MySQL is alive for companies already using MySQL, but would well informed companies be choosing it today? I'm not so sure. I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres, you want a particular performance profile and you pick MariaDB, or you want the enterprise support and you pick Oracle's database. Why you would pick Oracle-supported MySQL today I'm not sure.
  - abledon 5y ago
    didn't the new basecamp "Hey" email product choose to use MySQL?
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      I think so, but they have been operating MySQL at scale for many products for about 20 years, so I can understand why they might not choose MariaDB (or Postgres, Oracle, etc).
  - threeseed 5y ago
    > have more functionality and you choose Postgres PostgreSQL still after all these years has a terrible story when it comes to HA and horizontal scalability. Nothing is built in or supported. And one of the only companies to provide something half decent i.e. Citus is now owned by Microsoft and so that project is now at risk. At least MySQL has something built-in.
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      So MariaDB then.
voidfunc 5y ago
This is such a hilariously myopic HN take.
- mr_overalls 5y ago
  I work for a government agency in a rather poor flyover state. We ran Oracle databases and a few other products for multiple decades, until Oracle conducted an audit and decided to shake us down for everything we were worth. We migrated away from their products, but only after being forced into expensive multi-year subscriptions for products that we didn't need. I will never forget the arrogance and greed of their legal/sales people. They are bloodsucking sociopaths.
  - abraae 5y ago
    I'm no fan of oracle's audit approach but it sounds like you were expecting special leniency to not pay for their stuff - for decades - because you are a govt agency/ live in a low income place. Not how business works. If you're playing by the rules, no one can force you into any long term contracts you don't need.
    - myohmy 5y ago
      I'm also a government Oracle dev. I have no way of knowing what I'm licensed for and they don't disable the features we're not licensed for. I literally have to talk to my director to talk to our account rep to figure out that I'm not allowed to use table partitioning.
      - abraae 5y ago
        Agreed that Oracle licensing is byzantine, probably deliberately. But devil's advocate says that any organization should be aware of what they are actually licensed for, even if that means contracting a third party to ensure compliance.
        mr_overalls 5y ago
alberth 5y ago
Just curious, so which companies do people consider are creating/selling interesting and innovative ENTERPRISE software?
- llimos 5y ago
  Microsoft. King of the enterprise with no intention of losing the title. PowerApps, Power Automate etc. - while not necessarily innovative in a vacuum - are, when you consider they are bringing cloud-based automation and RPC to the (enterprise) masses.
- cutthegrass2 5y ago
  HashiCorp.
kaba0 5y ago
That’s the usual blind rhetoric against Oracle. Any factual info on how are they worse than the “good” companies that literally track every single step you take, that attack the very democracy of countries, that help the spread of dangerous anti-intellectual rhetorics, or the “usual” anti-union, shitty working condition giants? They dared sue the small mom&pop shop called Google for going against the Sun license of Java?

sly010 5y ago

Totally off topic, but I found it funny that in the offical oracle cloud intro video the robot arm in the background misses the box, right as the narrator mentions the advantages of automation at 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s

suyash 5y ago
lol good eye! but it shows me how real tech works, nothing is 100% guranteed
abledon 5y ago
I hate oracle, but man do i love their art style branding, kind of a 'painting' vibe
wizzwizz4 5y ago
I think you'll find the box missed the robot arm.

topspin 5y ago

> Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS Tell us more. Ignore the haters please. I'd love to have your insights.

maxk42 5y ago
It's all on their site - https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ Their price list is at https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html and the egress is under the "networking" section. Basically they give you 10TB outbound data transfer for free and charge as little as $0.0085 per GB after that. That's a savings of 90% (or 100% if you use less than 10TB transfer, which most apps do) Additionally their cloud servers (and most other services as well) are much cheaper than comparble EC2 instances and every one of their services I've used so far also includes a free tier so you can try them out without paying anything. All in all pretty pleased so far.
- gunapologist99 5y ago
  Yeah, AWS (and Azure, and GCP) really has notoriously expensive bandwidth, and it's the one thing they will never budge on in negotiations, since they know it's where they have nearly 100% profit margin; you can avoid using most services, or use compute etc more efficiently, but it's hard to consume less bandwidth! It sounds like Oracle is actually pricing bandwidth at a reasonable price. This is quite a shock, coming from a historical perspective!