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> As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. Excited to learn about the

> As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. Excited to learn about the German prisons that respect human rights. The "prisoners" just come and go as they feel? The whole point of prisons is to take away a human's rights. That's like fundamental to the concept of incarceration. Or are you concerned with US prisons violating too many human rights in comparison to German prisons?

dathinab 5y ago
Prisons are NOT meant to take away your human rights, they will take away some of your rights temporary but that's not the same. The main point of prisons is to temporary take away your freedom (which is often perceived as on of the most valuable rights) as a form of punishment for you crime, but that's where it stops. You are sentenced to 10 years of prison not 10 years of torture, and potential random death. If your arbitrary put people in solitary confinement, expose them to unnecessary risk from other inmates or risk of health due to absurd temperatures you are effectively arbitrary non lawfully adding additional punishments on top of the prison sentence a person has. Which is in direct conflict with what a state of law is supposed to be. I mean lets say you committed a minor crime with a small prison sentence of but now you are forced to stay in a room which massively increases your chance of dying in the next few hours (heat+ heart disease), this means instead of being sentenced to 2 weeks of prison you are now sentenced to 2 weeks of prison + torture + a high chance to it arbitrary getting a death sentence. Furthermore the worse the prison is the harder it gets to proper rehabilitate the person afterwards, which gets worse in the US due to treatments of ex-convicts. But again your sentence was 2 years in prison not 2 years in prison and hardly any chance to life a normal life afterwards even if you try. The last point is even worse because it's not just bad for the convinced, it's especially bad for the rest of society which now has to coop with a increased crime rate as direct consequence of how prisons are handled. Which in turn will cause more people to be dragged into situations where they will commit crimes leading to a vicious crime increasing cycle. There are more then just a few studies which relatively clearly show that treating prisoners as imprisoned but still human and help with rehabilitation will decrease effective crime rates and will in total benefit society, even if it might sometimes seem unfair in specific cases. EDIT: To be clear the temperature is just one easy to understand example, but not the only problem and not applicable to all prisons. For people not aware of it, during very hot days some prisons get so hot that using ventilators or water vapor makes the situations worse, e.g. the are blown over by the ventilator is so hot that instead of giving your body a chance to cool it heats it up further.
- creddit 5y ago
  > Prisons are NOT meant to take away your human rights > The main point of prisons is to temporary take away your freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak
  - bloqs 5y ago
    Inalienable human rights and the rights of a citizen are distinctly different things.
    - creddit 5y ago
      Ok, I'll remember from now on that a comfortable temperature is an "inalienable right" whereas just general freedom is simply a "right of a citizen" or something. The hoops people are jumping through to not acknowledge that prison is an explicit, intended violation of human rights are wild.

dathinab 5y ago

Prisons are NOT meant to take away your human rights, they will take away some of your rights temporary but that's not the same. The main point of prisons is to temporary take away your freedom (which is often perceived as on of the most valuable rights) as a form of punishment for you crime, but that's where it stops. You are sentenced to 10 years of prison not 10 years of torture, and potential random death. If your arbitrary put people in solitary confinement, expose them to unnecessary risk from other inmates or risk of health due to absurd temperatures you are effectively arbitrary non lawfully adding additional punishments on top of the prison sentence a person has. Which is in direct conflict with what a state of law is supposed to be. I mean lets say you committed a minor crime with a small prison sentence of but now you are forced to stay in a room which massively increases your chance of dying in the next few hours (heat+ heart disease), this means instead of being sentenced to 2 weeks of prison you are now sentenced to 2 weeks of prison + torture + a high chance to it arbitrary getting a death sentence. Furthermore the worse the prison is the harder it gets to proper rehabilitate the person afterwards, which gets worse in the US due to treatments of ex-convicts. But again your sentence was 2 years in prison not 2 years in prison and hardly any chance to life a normal life afterwards even if you try. The last point is even worse because it's not just bad for the convinced, it's especially bad for the rest of society which now has to coop with a increased crime rate as direct consequence of how prisons are handled. Which in turn will cause more people to be dragged into situations where they will commit crimes leading to a vicious crime increasing cycle. There are more then just a few studies which relatively clearly show that treating prisoners as imprisoned but still human and help with rehabilitation will decrease effective crime rates and will in total benefit society, even if it might sometimes seem unfair in specific cases. EDIT: To be clear the temperature is just one easy to understand example, but not the only problem and not applicable to all prisons. For people not aware of it, during very hot days some prisons get so hot that using ventilators or water vapor makes the situations worse, e.g. the are blown over by the ventilator is so hot that instead of giving your body a chance to cool it heats it up further.

creddit 5y ago
> Prisons are NOT meant to take away your human rights > The main point of prisons is to temporary take away your freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak
- bloqs 5y ago
  Inalienable human rights and the rights of a citizen are distinctly different things.
  - creddit 5y ago
    Ok, I'll remember from now on that a comfortable temperature is an "inalienable right" whereas just general freedom is simply a "right of a citizen" or something. The hoops people are jumping through to not acknowledge that prison is an explicit, intended violation of human rights are wild.