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How interesting Adobe keeps getting kicked, especially from the Apple crowd. It seems just a decade ago, people bought Mac's explicitly for using Adobe products

by spydum 15y ago

How interesting Adobe keeps getting kicked, especially from the Apple crowd. It seems just a decade ago, people bought Mac's explicitly for using Adobe products. Not defending either side: I just think it's an interesting turn of events.

dantheman 15y ago
Remember Adobe purchased macromedia, they didn't create flash.
sudont 15y ago
No. Macs used to provide a better environment for using Adobe products, including OS-level color profiles, a ton of printing stuff, and most importantly: Mac-only fonts and resources. An agency could amass upwards of 200k of fonts, and not really be blamed to avoid transferring to a Windows platform that would save them 500 per machine, every three years. The difference now is that a lot of web dev’s use Macs strictly for the UX: since Flash’s performance negatively—in such a severe way—degrades the experience, it’s become loathed, even as it’s been tied into Adobe’s own apps as UI chrome. If Adobe had respected the UX of a Mac—including all the low-level coding things that form the basis of UX, there’d be a lot more sympathy towards their plight. For me, it’s like watching the fall of Quark all over again.
Udo 15y ago
To a degree. When Steve Jobs came back to Apple for the second time and the company was going under, he actually made it a point in keynote presentation that the collaboration with Adobe (especially as far as Photoshop was concerned) should be intensified. A few years later, the CEO of Adobe appeared on a Stevenote and he was extremely enthusiastic about Apple. I'm not sure what happened then, but one factor might have been Apple developing their own software to replace Photoshop, Aftereffects and other creative tools. That couldn't have been good for their relationship. From the user perspective, dumping Flash is still a good idea. If only web video didn't rely on it, everyone could just uninstall it or at least they'd all run a Flash blocker plugin that was enabled by default in browsers. So I guess the hate triangle between Apple, Adobe and their users built up to the point where Adobe staff just go "whatever" when there's a technical problem on the Mac. Adobe's best bet is now the Windows world, where there are much less viable alternatives to its creative suite and where there are less geeks around who like to install Flash blockers. It also makes sense from a business perspective as the Windows platform seems to be much more enamored with keeping legacy apps functioning. Compared to that, stuff for OS X just stops working when the next big version arrives.

by spydum 15y ago

dantheman 15y ago

Remember Adobe purchased macromedia, they didn't create flash.

sudont 15y ago

No. Macs used to provide a better environment for using Adobe products, including OS-level color profiles, a ton of printing stuff, and most importantly: Mac-only fonts and resources. An agency could amass upwards of 200k of fonts, and not really be blamed to avoid transferring to a Windows platform that would save them 500 per machine, every three years. The difference now is that a lot of web dev’s use Macs strictly for the UX: since Flash’s performance negatively—in such a severe way—degrades the experience, it’s become loathed, even as it’s been tied into Adobe’s own apps as UI chrome. If Adobe had respected the UX of a Mac—including all the low-level coding things that form the basis of UX, there’d be a lot more sympathy towards their plight. For me, it’s like watching the fall of Quark all over again.

Udo 15y ago

To a degree. When Steve Jobs came back to Apple for the second time and the company was going under, he actually made it a point in keynote presentation that the collaboration with Adobe (especially as far as Photoshop was concerned) should be intensified. A few years later, the CEO of Adobe appeared on a Stevenote and he was extremely enthusiastic about Apple. I'm not sure what happened then, but one factor might have been Apple developing their own software to replace Photoshop, Aftereffects and other creative tools. That couldn't have been good for their relationship. From the user perspective, dumping Flash is still a good idea. If only web video didn't rely on it, everyone could just uninstall it or at least they'd all run a Flash blocker plugin that was enabled by default in browsers. So I guess the hate triangle between Apple, Adobe and their users built up to the point where Adobe staff just go "whatever" when there's a technical problem on the Mac. Adobe's best bet is now the Windows world, where there are much less viable alternatives to its creative suite and where there are less geeks around who like to install Flash blockers. It also makes sense from a business perspective as the Windows platform seems to be much more enamored with keeping legacy apps functioning. Compared to that, stuff for OS X just stops working when the next big version arrives.