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I have some experience with this. My first wife was diagnosed with schizophrenia after birthing a stillborn baby. This was about 14 month after we had our first

by oblib 5y ago

I have some experience with this. My first wife was diagnosed with schizophrenia after birthing a stillborn baby. This was about 14 month after we had our first child. One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana, but she really did smoke much at all. I did most everyday though and one of the first questions he asked was if we used it. I told him I thought it was caused by losing the baby and he insisted that had nothing at all to do with it. I knew for sure he was wrong, but he refused to even consider it. But there was more to it than that. Her grandmother was clearly schizophrenic, and her mother was probably was too. Just a few months before this her mother told me she "hated" our first child because "she looks like you" (it was me she was referring to). This was in 1986. 15 years later, in 2001, a woman name Andrea Yates murdered her five children and that was when psychiatrist first diagnosed severe "Post Partum Depression" as the cause of what led her to do that. During those years in between I had pointed out that connection many times to psychiatrists and everyone of them told me I was wrong and they all loved to make the point that I didn't have the credentials to offer a diagnoses of cause. But what I did have that none of them had was real life experience watching my wife slide into schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is genetic and stress is a trigger. It often doesn't show up until one is an adult. By that time almost anyone will have taken a puff of weed and if a doctor asks them "have you ever used marijuana" and they say "yes", in my experience it doesn't matter how often, using it just once, even years prior, is enough for them to associate cause and effect. Truth is you can learn something from anyone if you listen to them. If you don't, you won't. What I learned is psychiatry is still pretty much bullshit and the medical profession still doesn't understand the causes or how to treat schizophrenia effectively. They manage it by giving those suffering with it drugs that are akin to turning their patients into slobbering "zombies" so they can manage them.

giantg2 5y ago
"One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana..." "I knew for sure he was wrong, but he refused to even consider it... [even with family history]." I have seen stuff like this a few times, and it is usually the sign of a bad doctor. If there isn't a positive test for something and you're ignoring other evidence, how can you say it absolutely is one thing or the other. This is extremely common with vaccines when providers say it is completely safe and write off adverse events as unrelated without any evidence to support the claim. Vaccines are generally safe, but adverse reactions can occur. If you have doctors underreporting to the VAERS system, then the system will not catch the rare events because the data is too incomplete to show significance. Edit: why downvote? Here's a paper acknowledging limitations like under reporting. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15071280/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15071280/
- oblib 5y ago
  I agree with what you're saying. It's kind of hard to excuse not taking the time to know the risks though. And in this case (covid) I've noticed a very interesting common line of thought. Over and over I've been told on FB "There a 99.5% chance you'll survive" by those who've refused to get vaxxed. (I live near the nation's latest hot spot, Branson, MO). It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here and if you frame that same subject differently by saying "You have a one in fifty chance of dying" it "feels" a lot different. Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused. I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it. But if our sources were only and any of the Big TV News Corporations we got a very tilted view. Much the same as I got from my first wife's doctors. All that said, I think Fauci has done a very good job of telling us where we stand. The media has used him like a ping-pong ball and that's pretty sad.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here" I thought this varies widely by age group, sex, and comorbidities? For example, a 30 year old man has a 99.97% chance of survival. And this doesn't even account for comorbidities. Now 3 in 10k is still a relatively large risk, but nowhere near 1 in 50. So the value proposition varies greatly by age group and risk factors, including lifestyle risk factors like WFH v in the office. For example, I was invited to diner at a restaurant by my in-laws. We had eaten outside there before, so I assumed that was happening again (or I would have declined). Instead they got there first and got an indoor seat for some unknown reason. The vaccine is about 95% effective at preventing serious infection and death. My father in law is in an age group with mortality rates about 4% (and be has multiple comorbidities). He started lecturing me about how I need a vaccine NOW when his risk of dying even with the vaccine was multiple times higher than mine (5%x4%=.2% v .03%). Now that was months ago, and I planned on getting my vaccination later when more data was available right before going back to the office (in the process now), where I would essentially be guaranteed to contract the virus if I didn't. My strategy seems to have worked for me since we are now learning the J&J vaccine might not be as effective as the others against delta and I was also able to view the VAERS data, as shoddy as it may be, for specific events in my age group to select the vaccine with lower rates (Pfizer). "Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused." I completely agree. "I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it." I agree on short term risks. There is one area that I couldn't find much info on - autoimmune conditions. My concern is that these conditions can take years to show up in many cases. We are using our own cells to grow the spike, so what happens if our immune system keys off other proteins that still exist on the cell in addition to the spike protein? It appears that severe covid infection generates higher numbers of autoimmune antibodies than the general population, so there is some risk of that even if one is not vaccinated. There just really isn't much info out there on this. https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163 https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...
gsk22 5y ago
> "One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana..." Anecdotally, this seems to be a common viewpoint among doctors. As soon as you admit to using marijuana, in any amount, then suddenly any health issues are caused by marijuana. Asthma? Caused by weed. Trouble focusing? Caused by weed. You vomited? Must be cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.
mi3law 5y ago
Thank you for sharing your experience and I'm sorry for your losses. I'm taken away by your story and would like to connect, please. I have a similar experience and I'm working on a research project in AI that is related to this. Please drop me a note me aee at berkeley edu I couldn't find your contact info in your profile.
throwawaysha 5y ago
Odd question: is your first wife Jewish (specifically Ashkenazi)?

by oblib 5y ago

giantg2 5y ago

"One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana..." "I knew for sure he was wrong, but he refused to even consider it... [even with family history]." I have seen stuff like this a few times, and it is usually the sign of a bad doctor. If there isn't a positive test for something and you're ignoring other evidence, how can you say it absolutely is one thing or the other. This is extremely common with vaccines when providers say it is completely safe and write off adverse events as unrelated without any evidence to support the claim. Vaccines are generally safe, but adverse reactions can occur. If you have doctors underreporting to the VAERS system, then the system will not catch the rare events because the data is too incomplete to show significance. Edit: why downvote? Here's a paper acknowledging limitations like under reporting. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15071280/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15071280/

oblib 5y ago
I agree with what you're saying. It's kind of hard to excuse not taking the time to know the risks though. And in this case (covid) I've noticed a very interesting common line of thought. Over and over I've been told on FB "There a 99.5% chance you'll survive" by those who've refused to get vaxxed. (I live near the nation's latest hot spot, Branson, MO). It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here and if you frame that same subject differently by saying "You have a one in fifty chance of dying" it "feels" a lot different. Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused. I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it. But if our sources were only and any of the Big TV News Corporations we got a very tilted view. Much the same as I got from my first wife's doctors. All that said, I think Fauci has done a very good job of telling us where we stand. The media has used him like a ping-pong ball and that's pretty sad.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here" I thought this varies widely by age group, sex, and comorbidities? For example, a 30 year old man has a 99.97% chance of survival. And this doesn't even account for comorbidities. Now 3 in 10k is still a relatively large risk, but nowhere near 1 in 50. So the value proposition varies greatly by age group and risk factors, including lifestyle risk factors like WFH v in the office. For example, I was invited to diner at a restaurant by my in-laws. We had eaten outside there before, so I assumed that was happening again (or I would have declined). Instead they got there first and got an indoor seat for some unknown reason. The vaccine is about 95% effective at preventing serious infection and death. My father in law is in an age group with mortality rates about 4% (and be has multiple comorbidities). He started lecturing me about how I need a vaccine NOW when his risk of dying even with the vaccine was multiple times higher than mine (5%x4%=.2% v .03%). Now that was months ago, and I planned on getting my vaccination later when more data was available right before going back to the office (in the process now), where I would essentially be guaranteed to contract the virus if I didn't. My strategy seems to have worked for me since we are now learning the J&J vaccine might not be as effective as the others against delta and I was also able to view the VAERS data, as shoddy as it may be, for specific events in my age group to select the vaccine with lower rates (Pfizer). "Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused." I completely agree. "I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it." I agree on short term risks. There is one area that I couldn't find much info on - autoimmune conditions. My concern is that these conditions can take years to show up in many cases. We are using our own cells to grow the spike, so what happens if our immune system keys off other proteins that still exist on the cell in addition to the spike protein? It appears that severe covid infection generates higher numbers of autoimmune antibodies than the general population, so there is some risk of that even if one is not vaccinated. There just really isn't much info out there on this. https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163 https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...

gsk22 5y ago

> "One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana..." Anecdotally, this seems to be a common viewpoint among doctors. As soon as you admit to using marijuana, in any amount, then suddenly any health issues are caused by marijuana. Asthma? Caused by weed. Trouble focusing? Caused by weed. You vomited? Must be cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.

mi3law 5y ago

Thank you for sharing your experience and I'm sorry for your losses. I'm taken away by your story and would like to connect, please. I have a similar experience and I'm working on a research project in AI that is related to this. Please drop me a note me aee at berkeley edu I couldn't find your contact info in your profile.

throwawaysha 5y ago

Odd question: is your first wife Jewish (specifically Ashkenazi)?