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Let’s be clear. There is a slim chance of death, particularly if you are younger and/or in good health. There is also a chance that you take the vaccine, get co

Let’s be clear. There is a slim chance of death, particularly if you are younger and/or in good health. There is also a chance that you take the vaccine, get covid, and die anyway. Although I am extremely doubtful that those cases will be talked about very much.

sudosysgen 5y ago
The chance is not slim. It's a chance of 0.6-1%. That's worse than many wars. Without vaccines you're basically guaranteed to catch it eventually. The risk that you die while fully vaccinated is tremendously low.
- ddingus 5y ago
  Chance of death is recovered people / dead people. Outcomes, not cases in flight. About 1 percent now. Was as high as 10 before our medicine improved. Many are dividing dead people by infected people. This understates the risk due to infections in progress are not yet outcomes, which biases the risk assessment to the very best, idealized case. The assumption is nobody else infected will die, which is a false assumption. With a vaccine on board, chance of death is a mere, small fraction of 1 percent. For perspective, ask poker players how sure of a thing 1 in 100 is. That hits way more often than people think!
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Definitely, 1/100 is an insane risk. No one on their right mind would take it. Also, there is much more than 1% chance of very serious life long complications.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      Great point! Numbers are hard to get on that, but 1/10 would not surprise me.
ddingus 5y ago
Slim = 1 / 100 unvaccinated. Still want to gamble? I would never take that risk, unless forced. And was. Caught covid when the chance of death was about 7 percent. Damn near ended up in a hospital. Scary shit. Chance of longer term symptoms is higher, 5 percent maybe? Chance of death on a vaccination is much lower, 1 / maybe 100,000 very worst case? Now, here is the hard part: Chance of infection? Well, if we vaccinated everyone, that will go to very good odds. Many may never be infected. However, since we currently are not doing that, virus mutation means odds are great you will eventually get covid. And it could mutate into forms that are worse and or that nullify vaccinations and we start this crap over. It is in the world now. We did not catch it in time. More vaccinated people = less mutation = lower risk for all humans. This is a when and what risk to take discussion. Very few will avoid this entirely. Odds are overwhelming that will not be you. Good luck! When you get covid, do you want to face it with or without the benefit of science?

sudosysgen 5y ago

The chance is not slim. It's a chance of 0.6-1%. That's worse than many wars. Without vaccines you're basically guaranteed to catch it eventually. The risk that you die while fully vaccinated is tremendously low.

ddingus 5y ago
Chance of death is recovered people / dead people. Outcomes, not cases in flight. About 1 percent now. Was as high as 10 before our medicine improved. Many are dividing dead people by infected people. This understates the risk due to infections in progress are not yet outcomes, which biases the risk assessment to the very best, idealized case. The assumption is nobody else infected will die, which is a false assumption. With a vaccine on board, chance of death is a mere, small fraction of 1 percent. For perspective, ask poker players how sure of a thing 1 in 100 is. That hits way more often than people think!
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Definitely, 1/100 is an insane risk. No one on their right mind would take it. Also, there is much more than 1% chance of very serious life long complications.
  - ddingus 5y ago
    Great point! Numbers are hard to get on that, but 1/10 would not surprise me.

ddingus 5y ago

Slim = 1 / 100 unvaccinated. Still want to gamble? I would never take that risk, unless forced. And was. Caught covid when the chance of death was about 7 percent. Damn near ended up in a hospital. Scary shit. Chance of longer term symptoms is higher, 5 percent maybe? Chance of death on a vaccination is much lower, 1 / maybe 100,000 very worst case? Now, here is the hard part: Chance of infection? Well, if we vaccinated everyone, that will go to very good odds. Many may never be infected. However, since we currently are not doing that, virus mutation means odds are great you will eventually get covid. And it could mutate into forms that are worse and or that nullify vaccinations and we start this crap over. It is in the world now. We did not catch it in time. More vaccinated people = less mutation = lower risk for all humans. This is a when and what risk to take discussion. Very few will avoid this entirely. Odds are overwhelming that will not be you. Good luck! When you get covid, do you want to face it with or without the benefit of science?