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I would like to see a study exploring the decline (if any) of problems from alcohol abuse in states where marijuana became legal. I am fairly certain that if I

I would like to see a study exploring the decline (if any) of problems from alcohol abuse in states where marijuana became legal. I am fairly certain that if I could have smoked marijuana when I was in the military then I wouldn't have developed an alcohol habit that has caused me so many problems over the years up until the time I quit.

rantwasp 5y ago
Since we’re here I would like to see a study linking sugar to the increase of health problems (including mental health). Other drugs are small change compared to sugar.
- okareaman 5y ago
  I recently gave up sugar when I realized I suffered sugar highs/withdrawal depressions and reached for it when I felt anxious, just like a drug. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318818 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318818
  - tudorw 5y ago
    Food As A Machine Gun (Official Lyric Video) - Enemy Radio, Public Enemy https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TCtJMra0yDY1YPQSTcvPT1HILFZIVMhNTM7IzEtVSC_NAwDW8QvT&q=food+is+a+machine+gun&oq=food+is+a+machine&aqs=chrome.1.0i355j46j69i57j0i22i30l4j69i60.4635j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TCtJMra0yDY...
    - okareaman 5y ago
      sugar sugar call me late at night by daylight stomach busted not feeling right heart burnin' I need oxygen sweet and sour more addictive than your oxycontin
ipnon 5y ago
Who doesn't know someone who went crazy from drinking? It's normalized, especially in the military it seems. A major difference between the long term negative effects of the two drugs is that alcoholics seem to mostly recover after some years of sobriety, but former cannabis users can receive incurable disorders like schizophrenia. More simply, the mental disorders of alcohol abuse resist being pathologized, we assign them sociocultural explanations like "he's going through a rough time." Meanwhile, he's clinically depressed, anxious, has mood swings, all direct results of long term alcohol consumption.
- okareaman 5y ago
  My official diagnosis is Substance Use Disorder. The DSM 5 recognizes substance-related disorders resulting from the use of 10 separate classes of drugs: alcohol; caffeine; cannabis; hallucinogens (phencyclidine or similarly acting arylcyclohexylamines, and other hallucinogens, such as LSD); inhalants; opioids; sedatives, hypnotics, or anxiolytics; stimulants (including amphetamine-type substances, cocaine, and other stimulants); tobacco; and other or unknown substances. https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-criteria-for-substance-use-disorders-21926 https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-criteria-for-substance-us...
- moate 5y ago
  >>but former cannabis users can receive incurable disorders like schizophrenia. No. This is the problem with pieces like the original article. "Schizophrenia link to marijuana use disorder" sounds VERY similar to what you just said. But they mean completely different things. 1- This study is specifically noting a correlation (note not causal relation) between 2 disorders, Schizophrenia and marijuana use disorder. Not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic, and not everyone who smokes weed has a disordered relationship with it. The article about the study even points out the methodology shouldn't be translated to the population at large of pot smokers who don't seek treatment for their usage. 2- The study specifically notes that their results have not been replicated. Their results aren't even really anything other than "we crunched some numbers and found a relationship between 2 things". There are all sorts of great graphs here: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations that show exactly how "useful" this information might be. tl;dr- This study is not saying Schizophrenia can be caused by smoking any amount of weed, but too many people will think it says exactly that.

rantwasp 5y ago

Since we’re here I would like to see a study linking sugar to the increase of health problems (including mental health). Other drugs are small change compared to sugar.

okareaman 5y ago
I recently gave up sugar when I realized I suffered sugar highs/withdrawal depressions and reached for it when I felt anxious, just like a drug. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318818 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318818
- tudorw 5y ago
  Food As A Machine Gun (Official Lyric Video) - Enemy Radio, Public Enemy https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TCtJMra0yDY1YPQSTcvPT1HILFZIVMhNTM7IzEtVSC_NAwDW8QvT&q=food+is+a+machine+gun&oq=food+is+a+machine&aqs=chrome.1.0i355j46j69i57j0i22i30l4j69i60.4635j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TCtJMra0yDY...
  - okareaman 5y ago
    sugar sugar call me late at night by daylight stomach busted not feeling right heart burnin' I need oxygen sweet and sour more addictive than your oxycontin

ipnon 5y ago

Who doesn't know someone who went crazy from drinking? It's normalized, especially in the military it seems. A major difference between the long term negative effects of the two drugs is that alcoholics seem to mostly recover after some years of sobriety, but former cannabis users can receive incurable disorders like schizophrenia. More simply, the mental disorders of alcohol abuse resist being pathologized, we assign them sociocultural explanations like "he's going through a rough time." Meanwhile, he's clinically depressed, anxious, has mood swings, all direct results of long term alcohol consumption.

okareaman 5y ago
My official diagnosis is Substance Use Disorder. The DSM 5 recognizes substance-related disorders resulting from the use of 10 separate classes of drugs: alcohol; caffeine; cannabis; hallucinogens (phencyclidine or similarly acting arylcyclohexylamines, and other hallucinogens, such as LSD); inhalants; opioids; sedatives, hypnotics, or anxiolytics; stimulants (including amphetamine-type substances, cocaine, and other stimulants); tobacco; and other or unknown substances. https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-criteria-for-substance-use-disorders-21926 https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-criteria-for-substance-us...
moate 5y ago
>>but former cannabis users can receive incurable disorders like schizophrenia. No. This is the problem with pieces like the original article. "Schizophrenia link to marijuana use disorder" sounds VERY similar to what you just said. But they mean completely different things. 1- This study is specifically noting a correlation (note not causal relation) between 2 disorders, Schizophrenia and marijuana use disorder. Not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic, and not everyone who smokes weed has a disordered relationship with it. The article about the study even points out the methodology shouldn't be translated to the population at large of pot smokers who don't seek treatment for their usage. 2- The study specifically notes that their results have not been replicated. Their results aren't even really anything other than "we crunched some numbers and found a relationship between 2 things". There are all sorts of great graphs here: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations that show exactly how "useful" this information might be. tl;dr- This study is not saying Schizophrenia can be caused by smoking any amount of weed, but too many people will think it says exactly that.