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Garbage article. Lie: > Vaccine rejection is higher among whites than it is among black and Hispanic Americans The data: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-trac

Garbage article. Lie: > Vaccine rejection is higher among whites than it is among black and Hispanic Americans The data: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demogr...

raphlinus 5y ago
These are two different things. The fact that Black and Hispanic Americans are not getting the vaccine is more due to access than it is to vaccine rejection. See https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-biggest-barriers-to-covid-vaccination-for-black-and-latinx-people1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-biggest-barri... for a more detailed discussion. Also observe in Figure 4 of https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-... that while the percentage of whites that have gotten vaccinated his higher than Black and Hispanic groups, the slope of the curve is higher in the latter cases - if trends continue, the lines will cross, just as Canada has exceeded the US vaccination rate, and possibly for similar reasons.
- jsight 5y ago
  I don't see how that could be true. The Wal-Marts here offer free vaccines for anyone. We seem to be past the point where availability should be a significant hindrance.
  - bigbillheck 5y ago
    What happens when you get the usual reactions to the second shot (knocked low for a couple days) and you lose your job because you can't come in? EDIT: I'm eating the downvotes on this one, but it's an actual excuse I've seen reported in the wild. Even if they don't lose their job, many people are living very close to the edge and the loss of a couple days salary is a big deal. I personally was unable to really work for a day and a half, and couldn't have driven myself there (or back) anyway. I'm very lucky in that I work from home and have plenty of paid sick leave, but that's not a situation experienced by lots of people.
    - leesalminen 5y ago
      Schedule the vaccine for after work the day before your day off? So if your day off is Tuesday, schedule the vaccine for Monday after your shift ends.
      - bigbillheck 5y ago
        Now you're gambling that you won't be out for two days, or be called in on your day off.
  - Symmetry 5y ago
    There's a difference between Wal-Mart offering free vaccination in fact and members of minorities being informed and believing that is in fact free. The US healthcare system does, sadly, have a bit of a reputation for surprise fees.
    - underseacables 5y ago
      I don’t think you can find a single community of minorities in America that hasn’t heard of the vaccine.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        Even here in Canada I had people ask me if the vaccine was going to be free. I don't think such things are unrealistic.
- underseacables 5y ago
  It’s free, so there’s no cost barrier. It’s available at every major drug store in America, so it’s not an access problem. Significant money is being spent to reach these communities. Oh and if that’s not enough liberals control congress and the White House. Where exactly do you see this access problem for black and Hispanic Americans?
  - raphlinus 5y ago
    I added a link to a Scientific American article as an edit. But it's not primarily the cost of the vaccine itself, it's much more the ability to get time off work, and also the ability to take a sick day to deal with vaccine effects. Most essential workers don't have the same flexibility that us desk workers have on that front.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - underseacables 5y ago
      Walgreens is open till midnight, CVS is open 24 hours in a lot of places. Major cities are also rolling out mobile vaccination units. If essential worker wants to get the vaccine, there’s very little stopping them, it’s easier to get the vaccine that needs to go to the DMV.
  - mumblemumble 5y ago
    One would assume it was the things listed in the article they linked? Which, it's from March, so a lot of the issues they cited were from early on in the rollout where supply was low, demand was high, and a lot of governments were still getting the kinks worked out. That said, some of the effects cited in the article may still apply. For example, > Another barrier to getting vaccinated is difficulty in registering for appointments online. Applicants often have to navigate labyrinthine portal systems and fill out multiple pages of documentation before appointments fill up, so it becomes a race for who can load and complete the forms the fastest. > Getting to vaccination sites can also be a challenge. They are not always near public transit, and not everyone has access to a car. As someone who spent many years living without a car in the USA, I can personally attest that, "available at every major drug store in America," does not mean the same thing as, "readily accessible." Suburban sprawl doesn't care who won the last election.
- helloworld11 5y ago
  Access in what sense? The vaccination program in the U.S is totally free, with no regard for insurance status or even immigration status. Vaccination locations in most urban areas are more than accessible enough given that many vaccination sites are located smack in the central parts of major cities, with public transport options available for reaching them the one or two times it would be necessary to go get vaccinated during a now months-long window of availability. It's tiresome to see certain statements about black and Hispanic communities seem to generalize the assumption that these are groups almost entirely without agency or capacity for even minimal personal initiative on simple, inexpensive (by even the most basic standards) things. It's almost condescending, but presented in the name of fighting marginalization. An excusing of all behavior without even considering the possibility that members of a community might just be making a few poor choices of their own.
mumblemumble 5y ago
Those numbers aren't measuring the same thing as the ones quoted in the article, so you really can't use the one set to say much about the other. It's a bit like trying to say that 4 square meters is less than 6 cubic feet, just based on the numbers alone. It's nonsensical, because units do matter. Perhaps both those figures could play a part in an interesting comparison, depending on what they're actually measuring, but, even if they could, you'd need to bring in some more numbers to get there.
- alea_iacta_est 5y ago
  Whites are more vaccinated, percent wise, therefore "Vaccine rejection is higher among whites than it is among black and Hispanic Americans". How do you go from one to the other here?
  - an_opabinia 5y ago
    I don’t think you understand those charts on the CDC website. Did you notice that the bars for, eg, fully vaccinated add up to 100 across all groups? Did you look at the table?
  - forbiddenvoid 5y ago
    Because you're talking about two different things. The vaccine rejection rate here is the percentage of people who say they won't get the vaccine. That has little to do with how many people have been vaccinated up to this point, which is a function of access and distributed among people who _haven't_ stated categorically they won't get it. It can both be true that white people are more likely to say they won't ever get the vaccine than black and hispanic people AND that a higher percentage of white people have received vaccine shots SO FAR.
  - mumblemumble 5y ago
    The percentage of vaccinated people who are white is not the same thing as the percentage of white people who are vaccinated. Here, imagine you can divide a box into four quadrants: A | B --+-- C | D One is measuring A/(A+B), the other is measuring A/(A+C).
anonAndOn 5y ago
I think vaccine rejection in this context means people who say they will not get it. Whites can be the most vaccinated group and still have the largest subset that refuses it outright.

raphlinus 5y ago

These are two different things. The fact that Black and Hispanic Americans are not getting the vaccine is more due to access than it is to vaccine rejection. See https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-biggest-barriers-to-covid-vaccination-for-black-and-latinx-people1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-biggest-barri... for a more detailed discussion. Also observe in Figure 4 of https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-... that while the percentage of whites that have gotten vaccinated his higher than Black and Hispanic groups, the slope of the curve is higher in the latter cases - if trends continue, the lines will cross, just as Canada has exceeded the US vaccination rate, and possibly for similar reasons.

jsight 5y ago
I don't see how that could be true. The Wal-Marts here offer free vaccines for anyone. We seem to be past the point where availability should be a significant hindrance.
- bigbillheck 5y ago
  What happens when you get the usual reactions to the second shot (knocked low for a couple days) and you lose your job because you can't come in? EDIT: I'm eating the downvotes on this one, but it's an actual excuse I've seen reported in the wild. Even if they don't lose their job, many people are living very close to the edge and the loss of a couple days salary is a big deal. I personally was unable to really work for a day and a half, and couldn't have driven myself there (or back) anyway. I'm very lucky in that I work from home and have plenty of paid sick leave, but that's not a situation experienced by lots of people.
  - leesalminen 5y ago
    Schedule the vaccine for after work the day before your day off? So if your day off is Tuesday, schedule the vaccine for Monday after your shift ends.
    - bigbillheck 5y ago
      Now you're gambling that you won't be out for two days, or be called in on your day off.
- Symmetry 5y ago
  There's a difference between Wal-Mart offering free vaccination in fact and members of minorities being informed and believing that is in fact free. The US healthcare system does, sadly, have a bit of a reputation for surprise fees.
  - underseacables 5y ago
    I don’t think you can find a single community of minorities in America that hasn’t heard of the vaccine.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Even here in Canada I had people ask me if the vaccine was going to be free. I don't think such things are unrealistic.
underseacables 5y ago
It’s free, so there’s no cost barrier. It’s available at every major drug store in America, so it’s not an access problem. Significant money is being spent to reach these communities. Oh and if that’s not enough liberals control congress and the White House. Where exactly do you see this access problem for black and Hispanic Americans?
- raphlinus 5y ago
  I added a link to a Scientific American article as an edit. But it's not primarily the cost of the vaccine itself, it's much more the ability to get time off work, and also the ability to take a sick day to deal with vaccine effects. Most essential workers don't have the same flexibility that us desk workers have on that front.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - underseacables 5y ago
    Walgreens is open till midnight, CVS is open 24 hours in a lot of places. Major cities are also rolling out mobile vaccination units. If essential worker wants to get the vaccine, there’s very little stopping them, it’s easier to get the vaccine that needs to go to the DMV.
- mumblemumble 5y ago
  One would assume it was the things listed in the article they linked? Which, it's from March, so a lot of the issues they cited were from early on in the rollout where supply was low, demand was high, and a lot of governments were still getting the kinks worked out. That said, some of the effects cited in the article may still apply. For example, > Another barrier to getting vaccinated is difficulty in registering for appointments online. Applicants often have to navigate labyrinthine portal systems and fill out multiple pages of documentation before appointments fill up, so it becomes a race for who can load and complete the forms the fastest. > Getting to vaccination sites can also be a challenge. They are not always near public transit, and not everyone has access to a car. As someone who spent many years living without a car in the USA, I can personally attest that, "available at every major drug store in America," does not mean the same thing as, "readily accessible." Suburban sprawl doesn't care who won the last election.
helloworld11 5y ago
Access in what sense? The vaccination program in the U.S is totally free, with no regard for insurance status or even immigration status. Vaccination locations in most urban areas are more than accessible enough given that many vaccination sites are located smack in the central parts of major cities, with public transport options available for reaching them the one or two times it would be necessary to go get vaccinated during a now months-long window of availability. It's tiresome to see certain statements about black and Hispanic communities seem to generalize the assumption that these are groups almost entirely without agency or capacity for even minimal personal initiative on simple, inexpensive (by even the most basic standards) things. It's almost condescending, but presented in the name of fighting marginalization. An excusing of all behavior without even considering the possibility that members of a community might just be making a few poor choices of their own.

mumblemumble 5y ago

Those numbers aren't measuring the same thing as the ones quoted in the article, so you really can't use the one set to say much about the other. It's a bit like trying to say that 4 square meters is less than 6 cubic feet, just based on the numbers alone. It's nonsensical, because units do matter. Perhaps both those figures could play a part in an interesting comparison, depending on what they're actually measuring, but, even if they could, you'd need to bring in some more numbers to get there.

alea_iacta_est 5y ago
Whites are more vaccinated, percent wise, therefore "Vaccine rejection is higher among whites than it is among black and Hispanic Americans". How do you go from one to the other here?
- an_opabinia 5y ago
  I don’t think you understand those charts on the CDC website. Did you notice that the bars for, eg, fully vaccinated add up to 100 across all groups? Did you look at the table?
- forbiddenvoid 5y ago
  Because you're talking about two different things. The vaccine rejection rate here is the percentage of people who say they won't get the vaccine. That has little to do with how many people have been vaccinated up to this point, which is a function of access and distributed among people who _haven't_ stated categorically they won't get it. It can both be true that white people are more likely to say they won't ever get the vaccine than black and hispanic people AND that a higher percentage of white people have received vaccine shots SO FAR.
- mumblemumble 5y ago
  The percentage of vaccinated people who are white is not the same thing as the percentage of white people who are vaccinated. Here, imagine you can divide a box into four quadrants: A | B --+-- C | D One is measuring A/(A+B), the other is measuring A/(A+C).

anonAndOn 5y ago

I think vaccine rejection in this context means people who say they will not get it. Whites can be the most vaccinated group and still have the largest subset that refuses it outright.