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> I don't recall anyone claiming that I guess this really comes down to your definition of "anyone" because I've certainly seen a number of comments alleging t

> I don't recall anyone claiming that I guess this really comes down to your definition of "anyone" because I've certainly seen a number of comments alleging this and Ron Johnson has said "It wasn't an armed insurrection" which, again, depends on your definition or on how pedantic you want to be.

zibzab 5y ago
We can turn this around and ask if the gathering could be called peaceful when people were armed - even if they did not use them. Keep in mind that open carry it not permitted in DC and "visitors" are not allowed to carry guns in the capitol.
- joshstrange 5y ago
  Totally agree, I mean the Oath Keepers had guns stashed across the Potomac to use and to your point the fact they were armed in violation of DC is damning enough. The whole things was a tinder box and we are lucky the death count was as low as it was. I saw tweets as early as the day after Jan 6th saying that certain people would attempt to rewrite history but I honestly thought "Surely not, not for something like this" but here we are...
h2odragon 5y ago
I'd agree with "armed" but not "insurrection", myself. I recall pictures of dudes toting rifles. iirc it was 1997 that I sat out on the Mall in DC for a day or two pushing pamphlets; I wore a sword at the time and no one had an issue with it.
- joshstrange 5y ago
  I mean they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence", tried to stop the certification of votes, and fought with and injured officers inside the capitol. That meets my bar for "a violent uprising against an authority or government". Also sword + handing out pamphlets != gun + breaking into the capitol. EDIT: removed "and directly killed at least 1 officer" due to reply.
  - HeroOfAges 5y ago
    Are you referring to Officer Brian Sicknick? He was not killed as a result of the actions of the rioters on Jan 6. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sicknick-death-strokes/2021/04/19/36d2d310-617e-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sic... Google "brian sicknick cause of death".
    - joshstrange 5y ago
      My mistake. > He was sprayed with a chemical, collapsed and later had a stroke and died. Two other officers took their own lives in the days afterward, and dozens more were hurt — including one officer who had a heart attack and others who suffered traumatic brain injuries and permanent disabilities. [0] That said, my point still stands, this was a violent uprising. [0] https://apnews.com/article/politics-donald-trump-capitol-siege-government-and-politics-bdcd924c05ec9c8ada12df7954d7879c https://apnews.com/article/politics-donald-trump-capitol-sie...
  - totony 5y ago
    BLM protests also had "violence against an authority" (police). Some also chanted calls for violence (IIRC?). Why aren't those called insurrections?
    - joshstrange 5y ago
      Please take your whataboutism elsewhere.
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      - totony 5y ago
        I'm just trying to understand what seems to be inconsistent about your view, no need to be hostile
        5y ago
- defen 5y ago
  > I wore a sword at the time Why? Was the sword related to the content of the pamphlets?
  - h2odragon 5y ago
    Because it was a "militia" rally; and I like to be weird.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  > I wore a sword at the time and no one had an issue with it. Carrying a sword is, to the best of my internet research, perfectly legal in DC. Switchblades and concealable knives are right out (as well as it retroactively becoming illegal to carry the sword if they can demonstrate an intent to use it to harm someone.) Carrying a firearm is pretty tricky (and forbidden in federal buildings or in the middle of demonstrations). That is, a sword is treated as a prop and a gun/switchblade/brass knuckles etc. are treated as weapons.

zibzab 5y ago

We can turn this around and ask if the gathering could be called peaceful when people were armed - even if they did not use them. Keep in mind that open carry it not permitted in DC and "visitors" are not allowed to carry guns in the capitol.

joshstrange 5y ago
Totally agree, I mean the Oath Keepers had guns stashed across the Potomac to use and to your point the fact they were armed in violation of DC is damning enough. The whole things was a tinder box and we are lucky the death count was as low as it was. I saw tweets as early as the day after Jan 6th saying that certain people would attempt to rewrite history but I honestly thought "Surely not, not for something like this" but here we are...

h2odragon 5y ago

I'd agree with "armed" but not "insurrection", myself. I recall pictures of dudes toting rifles. iirc it was 1997 that I sat out on the Mall in DC for a day or two pushing pamphlets; I wore a sword at the time and no one had an issue with it.

joshstrange 5y ago
I mean they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence", tried to stop the certification of votes, and fought with and injured officers inside the capitol. That meets my bar for "a violent uprising against an authority or government". Also sword + handing out pamphlets != gun + breaking into the capitol. EDIT: removed "and directly killed at least 1 officer" due to reply.
- HeroOfAges 5y ago
  Are you referring to Officer Brian Sicknick? He was not killed as a result of the actions of the rioters on Jan 6. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sicknick-death-strokes/2021/04/19/36d2d310-617e-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sic... Google "brian sicknick cause of death".
  - joshstrange 5y ago
    My mistake. > He was sprayed with a chemical, collapsed and later had a stroke and died. Two other officers took their own lives in the days afterward, and dozens more were hurt — including one officer who had a heart attack and others who suffered traumatic brain injuries and permanent disabilities. [0] That said, my point still stands, this was a violent uprising. [0] https://apnews.com/article/politics-donald-trump-capitol-siege-government-and-politics-bdcd924c05ec9c8ada12df7954d7879c https://apnews.com/article/politics-donald-trump-capitol-sie...
- totony 5y ago
  BLM protests also had "violence against an authority" (police). Some also chanted calls for violence (IIRC?). Why aren't those called insurrections?
  - joshstrange 5y ago
    Please take your whataboutism elsewhere.
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    - totony 5y ago
      I'm just trying to understand what seems to be inconsistent about your view, no need to be hostile
      - 5y ago
defen 5y ago
> I wore a sword at the time Why? Was the sword related to the content of the pamphlets?
- h2odragon 5y ago
  Because it was a "militia" rally; and I like to be weird.
HWR_14 5y ago
> I wore a sword at the time and no one had an issue with it. Carrying a sword is, to the best of my internet research, perfectly legal in DC. Switchblades and concealable knives are right out (as well as it retroactively becoming illegal to carry the sword if they can demonstrate an intent to use it to harm someone.) Carrying a firearm is pretty tricky (and forbidden in federal buildings or in the middle of demonstrations). That is, a sword is treated as a prop and a gun/switchblade/brass knuckles etc. are treated as weapons.