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OK, that’s how you feel, and your choice. What do you think about people who wouldn’t mind being spied on in exchange for free or cheaper services? I’m persona

OK, that’s how you feel, and your choice. What do you think about people who wouldn’t mind being spied on in exchange for free or cheaper services? I’m personally with you, by the way, but I think it’s worth pointing out that it’s not the only valid position.

hobs 5y ago
It's not the only valid position, its just the only position that doesn't allow giant corporations to use their power to coerce people with no money to give up their agency.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  They can probably find other ways.
darkwater 5y ago
> What do you think about people who wouldn’t mind being spied on in exchange for free or cheaper services? I would really like to know how many people are actually like this, if they knew the full, total picture. There will be a lot, that's sure, but maybe not the overwhelming majority of uninformed people we have now.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  By and large Snowden's revelations were met with a shrug. If that didn't bother people much, why would details about how Google makes money?
coldtea 5y ago
>OK, that’s how you feel, and your choice. What do you think about people who wouldn’t mind being spied on in exchange for free or cheaper services? I'd feel like there's no universal God-given social contract that says they have a "right" to this, so I'd suggest we ban it anyways (just like they're free to suggest to allow it).
- emodendroket 5y ago
  Couldn't you make the same argument about one's "right" to never be the subject of automated data collection?
  - coldtea 5y ago
    Yes, haven't I already covered this angle by writing "just like they're free to suggest to allow it"? You could make the same argument, and I would still argue to ban automated data collection. That's how we make laws: we choose our sides of the argument, and (if we're lucky to live in a functional democracy) vote for it, or vote others that promote the same ideas.
badloginnew 5y ago
People who want to be spied on have the freedom to move to North Korea. I’d be ok with using tax dollars to help them. They’d still complain that people here have entitled attitudes about freedom, but they are free to choose a different way.
- p_j_w 5y ago
  >People who want to be spied on have the freedom to move to North Korea. Surely there's some middle ground between no digital tracking of users and North Korea?
pessimizer 5y ago
What do you say about children who really want to work in mines, or people who want to sell themselves into slavery?
- hobs 5y ago
  My grandfather sold himself into slavery for 2 years for a handful of sheep - I would say that we should fix the world so that such a thing never happens and it should never be allowed.
CogitoCogito 5y ago
Should it be up to you to allow e.g. Google to systematically read incoming mail written by people with no relationship to Google whatsoever?

hobs 5y ago

It's not the only valid position, its just the only position that doesn't allow giant corporations to use their power to coerce people with no money to give up their agency.

emodendroket 5y ago
They can probably find other ways.

darkwater 5y ago

> What do you think about people who wouldn’t mind being spied on in exchange for free or cheaper services? I would really like to know how many people are actually like this, if they knew the full, total picture. There will be a lot, that's sure, but maybe not the overwhelming majority of uninformed people we have now.

emodendroket 5y ago
By and large Snowden's revelations were met with a shrug. If that didn't bother people much, why would details about how Google makes money?

coldtea 5y ago

>OK, that’s how you feel, and your choice. What do you think about people who wouldn’t mind being spied on in exchange for free or cheaper services? I'd feel like there's no universal God-given social contract that says they have a "right" to this, so I'd suggest we ban it anyways (just like they're free to suggest to allow it).

emodendroket 5y ago
Couldn't you make the same argument about one's "right" to never be the subject of automated data collection?
- coldtea 5y ago
  Yes, haven't I already covered this angle by writing "just like they're free to suggest to allow it"? You could make the same argument, and I would still argue to ban automated data collection. That's how we make laws: we choose our sides of the argument, and (if we're lucky to live in a functional democracy) vote for it, or vote others that promote the same ideas.

badloginnew 5y ago

People who want to be spied on have the freedom to move to North Korea. I’d be ok with using tax dollars to help them. They’d still complain that people here have entitled attitudes about freedom, but they are free to choose a different way.

p_j_w 5y ago
>People who want to be spied on have the freedom to move to North Korea. Surely there's some middle ground between no digital tracking of users and North Korea?

pessimizer 5y ago

What do you say about children who really want to work in mines, or people who want to sell themselves into slavery?

hobs 5y ago
My grandfather sold himself into slavery for 2 years for a handful of sheep - I would say that we should fix the world so that such a thing never happens and it should never be allowed.

CogitoCogito 5y ago

Should it be up to you to allow e.g. Google to systematically read incoming mail written by people with no relationship to Google whatsoever?