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You’re making this unnecessarily complicated and I can’t tell if it is in bad faith or not. - users should know of they are going to be tracked (part of the va

You’re making this unnecessarily complicated and I can’t tell if it is in bad faith or not. - users should know of they are going to be tracked (part of the value exchange) - companies should know if ads/tracking are going to be blocked (part of the value exchange) Both parties should then be able to decide how to proceed accordingly.

_jal 5y ago
I'm trying to take what you're saying seriously, and think through how it would work in the real world. You're just repeating that you think some things "should" be the case. If they were, how would that work, how could it go wrong, what are the costs and benefits relative to other ways of achieving the same goals? Policy is more than random assertions that feel right.
websites2023 5y ago
Your statements lack agents, which contributes to the feeling that they are intentionally slippery. Who is responsible for telling users they are going to be tracked? Further more, whose responsibility is it to ensure the user understands the implications of that tracking? Whose responsibility is it to ensure that tracking is not abused? Secondly, who is responsible for telling companies that their ads/tracking are going to be blocked? The user? If so, why? I don’t care one bit about the business model of the websites I visit. As a user, my attention has been manipulated for years, my behavioral data has been harvested, resold, abused… to be totally blunt, I don’t trust a single one of you any further than I can throw you. If you go under, I’ll find something else that meets my needs. I’ve already had to do that dozens of times in my life because it’s not like companies have any commitment to me as a customer in the first place. I’m just a big ol’ bag of potential sales determined through my data. You’ll excuse me if I’m skeptical of these simplified terms, wherein you appear to propose me and giant mega corporations, who I can’t see, can’t sue, and don’t even know I’m doing business with, are on a level playing field. The information asymmetry is and lack of equal recourse are a bit hard to overcome in your simplified world. As a notion user I’m now concerned with the data that application is harvesting from me, given the stance on privacy you gave here.
- jamiequint 5y ago
  Cool, bro.

_jal 5y ago

I'm trying to take what you're saying seriously, and think through how it would work in the real world. You're just repeating that you think some things "should" be the case. If they were, how would that work, how could it go wrong, what are the costs and benefits relative to other ways of achieving the same goals? Policy is more than random assertions that feel right.

websites2023 5y ago

Your statements lack agents, which contributes to the feeling that they are intentionally slippery. Who is responsible for telling users they are going to be tracked? Further more, whose responsibility is it to ensure the user understands the implications of that tracking? Whose responsibility is it to ensure that tracking is not abused? Secondly, who is responsible for telling companies that their ads/tracking are going to be blocked? The user? If so, why? I don’t care one bit about the business model of the websites I visit. As a user, my attention has been manipulated for years, my behavioral data has been harvested, resold, abused… to be totally blunt, I don’t trust a single one of you any further than I can throw you. If you go under, I’ll find something else that meets my needs. I’ve already had to do that dozens of times in my life because it’s not like companies have any commitment to me as a customer in the first place. I’m just a big ol’ bag of potential sales determined through my data. You’ll excuse me if I’m skeptical of these simplified terms, wherein you appear to propose me and giant mega corporations, who I can’t see, can’t sue, and don’t even know I’m doing business with, are on a level playing field. The information asymmetry is and lack of equal recourse are a bit hard to overcome in your simplified world. As a notion user I’m now concerned with the data that application is harvesting from me, given the stance on privacy you gave here.

jamiequint 5y ago
Cool, bro.