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Anyone know what Norway will do when Breivik's 21 year prison sentence [0] is up in 10-12 years? Difficult to imagine him being released back into society. [0]

Anyone know what Norway will do when Breivik's 21 year prison sentence [0] is up in 10-12 years? Difficult to imagine him being released back into society. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Anders_Behring_Breivik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Anders_Behring_Breivi...

pimterry 5y ago
It's 21 years because that's the longest formal imprisonment sentence allowed for crimes (other than war crimes) in Norway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. It doesn't mean that such prisoners are definitely released with 21 years - it can (and likely will) be extended indefinitely for as long as a prisoner remains dangerous to society: > If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the detention can be extended by five years at a time. Renewal of the detention every five years can in theory result in actual life imprisonment.
- agency 5y ago
  It’s fascinating getting glimpses of other justice systems like this. Meanwhile in the US many states have three-strikes laws where you can get a mandatory life sentence for repeat offenses, even if the last offense is relatively minor or non-violent. Insanity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_L._Tyler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_L._Tyler
  - sershe 5y ago
    Why exactly is it insanity? I like the 3 strikes better (my only concern is drug crime and other non-crime) - 3 separate occasions of disregarding others' most basic rights establish a clear pattern; the society reciprocates by not respecting the rights of the criminal as it protects itself from them. It's only incidentally a punishment, it's really removal - in fact, humanistic removal, the more cost-effective one would be execution. Now, in case as unique and clear-cut as that of Breivik, I would advocate for an extremely rare application of actual punishment-punishment - e.g., keeping him alive for as long as possible while torturing him. As for three-strikes-society-removes-you, that's probably my favorite part of the justice system in the US.
magicalhippo 5y ago
He was not sentenced to regular prison, but rather detention[1]. The difference being that the former is a punishment and the latter is to protect the public. While detention must be evaluated at given intervals, it can be extended indefinitely[2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention [2]: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring
cannabis_sam 5y ago
He will be considered a threat to society, and kept locked up for another 5 years.. rinse and repeat

pimterry 5y ago

It's 21 years because that's the longest formal imprisonment sentence allowed for crimes (other than war crimes) in Norway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. It doesn't mean that such prisoners are definitely released with 21 years - it can (and likely will) be extended indefinitely for as long as a prisoner remains dangerous to society: > If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the detention can be extended by five years at a time. Renewal of the detention every five years can in theory result in actual life imprisonment.

agency 5y ago
It’s fascinating getting glimpses of other justice systems like this. Meanwhile in the US many states have three-strikes laws where you can get a mandatory life sentence for repeat offenses, even if the last offense is relatively minor or non-violent. Insanity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_L._Tyler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_L._Tyler
- sershe 5y ago
  Why exactly is it insanity? I like the 3 strikes better (my only concern is drug crime and other non-crime) - 3 separate occasions of disregarding others' most basic rights establish a clear pattern; the society reciprocates by not respecting the rights of the criminal as it protects itself from them. It's only incidentally a punishment, it's really removal - in fact, humanistic removal, the more cost-effective one would be execution. Now, in case as unique and clear-cut as that of Breivik, I would advocate for an extremely rare application of actual punishment-punishment - e.g., keeping him alive for as long as possible while torturing him. As for three-strikes-society-removes-you, that's probably my favorite part of the justice system in the US.

magicalhippo 5y ago

He was not sentenced to regular prison, but rather detention[1]. The difference being that the former is a punishment and the latter is to protect the public. While detention must be evaluated at given intervals, it can be extended indefinitely[2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention [2]: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring

cannabis_sam 5y ago

He will be considered a threat to society, and kept locked up for another 5 years.. rinse and repeat