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there's a very famous hospital / research institute here in france ( ihu marseille), who has treated more than 20k patient with its own protocol involving HCQ (

by bsaul 5y ago

there's a very famous hospital / research institute here in france ( ihu marseille), who has treated more than 20k patient with its own protocol involving HCQ (among other things), claiming for more than a year that it has a noticeable impact on the patient outcome. They're not politicians, not gurus selling snake oil. They're actually a group of professor of medecine (PUPH, highest level of qualification in france), running a large, government funded public health institution. And they have been posting weekly updates on their youtube channel, based on their data from their own patients ( as well as very interesting specialized researcher presentation about the virus) Who in their right mind would think a moderator in a software company would be more qualified and legitimate enough to actually censor them ?? That's just absurd.

ohgodplsno 5y ago
Raoult's claims have been thoroughly disproven by the scientific community and he is absolutely a snake oil seller right now. His initial """studies""" involved throwing out of the patient set the patients that died/whose situation worsened. His enormous publication count is only held up by the fact that any student at the IHU is forced to include him as a co-author of their thesis/PhD. Oh, and you forgot to mention that the IHU charged over 2000 euros for a full day stay to be treated with HCQ (when the treatment is... just eat some HCQ), which is being seen very much like embezzlement. So, no, they've not "treated" patients. HCQ's effects are nil. Azythromicine does not work either. Raoult might very well be a prolific scientist, but on Covid, he is absolutely full of shit.
- bsaul 5y ago
  All those claims have been addressed by its own videos (or doctors from his team), which i encourage you to view (i'm not qualified to judge on the quality of the institute researcher methodology). my point is that youtube should clearly not take part in that scientific debate. I have never seen any two doctors give the exact same medecine for any illness. I'm still having trouble understand why that should be the case for that one.
baybal2 5y ago
You know, I met not so few physics PhDs completely immersed in perpetual motion engine cult, PhD economists claiming "endless money" through monetary manipulations, and MFin graduates claiming discovering "a new ingenious super duper trading strategy" which turn to be banal spread trading when you undo the math bullshit. All of them took great insult when I point to banal arithmetic errors in their "innovations" down to taking the dispute to tvitter and press. It's impossible to get through to such people. The more obvious is their folly, the bigger extremes they go to self-convince themselves that "they really can't be wrong, even if they are" PhDs today may signify the level of knowledge, but not necessarily the level of intelligence.
- cjfd 5y ago
  I think intelligence is hardly the problem. It is something far more intangible that perhaps should be called 'wisdom'. Your statement sounds a bit hard to believe, though. If you had met one physics PhD who was 'completely immersed in perpetual motion engine cult' I would say that this could be true. But 'not so few' really stretches credibilty.
  - Pyramus 5y ago
    I think you are both correct. For the frequency of such interactions here is a simple experiment (that I know to work): Follow a couple of hand picked accounts on Twitter. Over time Twitter will suggest who to follow, follow these accounts as well. Within the next 2 months or so, your Twitter feed will almost completely fill up with that cult. It feels like a completely different world, it's scary.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Not so fridge they are. The cold fusion clowns go around TED events, collect research grants, and VC investments though they withdrew the only paper they published for a glaring arithmetics "mistake." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Fusion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Fusion Those are not the only ones on my memory. Charles Chase with his "vortex fusion," and very sketchy Tri Alpha. Samely, the perpetual motion cranks like Salvatore Pais were always hanging around those events popular with tech bohemia.
Kiro 5y ago
What? It's the very definition of snake oil. It's the same people who convinced Trump to promote hydroxychloroquine.
- bsaul 5y ago
  except he doesn't sell the oil. He also didn't "convice" anyone, he just gave its own results on a treatment that was tried in different countries at the time. The fact that trump publicaly took a stand poisoned the debate to a degree that made it completely impossible to discuss the thing calmly up to today..
  - throwinawaysoon 5y ago
    you seem pretty convinced.
cirrus3 5y ago
Spoiler alert: No one cares about "professor of medecine (PUPH, highest level of qualification in france)"

by bsaul 5y ago

ohgodplsno 5y ago

Raoult's claims have been thoroughly disproven by the scientific community and he is absolutely a snake oil seller right now. His initial """studies""" involved throwing out of the patient set the patients that died/whose situation worsened. His enormous publication count is only held up by the fact that any student at the IHU is forced to include him as a co-author of their thesis/PhD. Oh, and you forgot to mention that the IHU charged over 2000 euros for a full day stay to be treated with HCQ (when the treatment is... just eat some HCQ), which is being seen very much like embezzlement. So, no, they've not "treated" patients. HCQ's effects are nil. Azythromicine does not work either. Raoult might very well be a prolific scientist, but on Covid, he is absolutely full of shit.

bsaul 5y ago
All those claims have been addressed by its own videos (or doctors from his team), which i encourage you to view (i'm not qualified to judge on the quality of the institute researcher methodology). my point is that youtube should clearly not take part in that scientific debate. I have never seen any two doctors give the exact same medecine for any illness. I'm still having trouble understand why that should be the case for that one.

baybal2 5y ago

You know, I met not so few physics PhDs completely immersed in perpetual motion engine cult, PhD economists claiming "endless money" through monetary manipulations, and MFin graduates claiming discovering "a new ingenious super duper trading strategy" which turn to be banal spread trading when you undo the math bullshit. All of them took great insult when I point to banal arithmetic errors in their "innovations" down to taking the dispute to tvitter and press. It's impossible to get through to such people. The more obvious is their folly, the bigger extremes they go to self-convince themselves that "they really can't be wrong, even if they are" PhDs today may signify the level of knowledge, but not necessarily the level of intelligence.

cjfd 5y ago
I think intelligence is hardly the problem. It is something far more intangible that perhaps should be called 'wisdom'. Your statement sounds a bit hard to believe, though. If you had met one physics PhD who was 'completely immersed in perpetual motion engine cult' I would say that this could be true. But 'not so few' really stretches credibilty.
- Pyramus 5y ago
  I think you are both correct. For the frequency of such interactions here is a simple experiment (that I know to work): Follow a couple of hand picked accounts on Twitter. Over time Twitter will suggest who to follow, follow these accounts as well. Within the next 2 months or so, your Twitter feed will almost completely fill up with that cult. It feels like a completely different world, it's scary.
- baybal2 5y ago
  Not so fridge they are. The cold fusion clowns go around TED events, collect research grants, and VC investments though they withdrew the only paper they published for a glaring arithmetics "mistake." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Fusion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Fusion Those are not the only ones on my memory. Charles Chase with his "vortex fusion," and very sketchy Tri Alpha. Samely, the perpetual motion cranks like Salvatore Pais were always hanging around those events popular with tech bohemia.

Kiro 5y ago

What? It's the very definition of snake oil. It's the same people who convinced Trump to promote hydroxychloroquine.

bsaul 5y ago
except he doesn't sell the oil. He also didn't "convice" anyone, he just gave its own results on a treatment that was tried in different countries at the time. The fact that trump publicaly took a stand poisoned the debate to a degree that made it completely impossible to discuss the thing calmly up to today..
- throwinawaysoon 5y ago
  you seem pretty convinced.

cirrus3 5y ago

Spoiler alert: No one cares about "professor of medecine (PUPH, highest level of qualification in france)"