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Sorry. I did not assert that the church considers being a gay a sin. I insist that the church has consistently been against gays and it would be out of characte

Sorry. I did not assert that the church considers being a gay a sin. I insist that the church has consistently been against gays and it would be out of character for them to be different. You confirmed this with your comment

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
I mean it's kinda weird. The church conforms to social norms. I've met a lot of gay catholics and families who have a gay child and I've never seen some crazy nutjob bashing on any side. People in my state are very tolerant of it. The church has never once stated anything crazy like "gays go to hell" or "all gays are sinners." I feel like you're getting it warped that catholics publicly condemning it but not speaking for the actual church, are somehow speaking for the church. Every institution has ignorant members so you can't hold the Church accountable for it's fair share of stupid people.
- elliekelly 5y ago
  What? The Catholic Church, the institution, has repeatedly said gay people are sinners. Several Popes (just in my lifetime!) have given speeches and written essays to that effect.
- headShrinker 5y ago
  I really don’t know how much more clear I need to be with you. Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God ‘can’t bless sin’ https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-cannot-bless-sin-077944750c975313ad253328e4cf7443 https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-ca... This is from March 2021… You seem to be talking out of both sides your mouth. You are continuously wrong and willful in not acknowledging it. Just to be clear I speak from experience when I talk about the church. My uncle was in the seminary, my other uncle is a catholic priest, my father was in the seminary, my best friend is a devout Catholic who’s been going to church every day for the past 60 years. I know church doctrine. I don’t think you do I’ve met all the nice catholic people you describe. I’ve also met the not so nice people you pretend aren’t a large influential part of the Catholic Church. Maybe your state is a wonderland. Travel a bit and see the rest of the world and know what it actually looks like when you are gay

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago

I mean it's kinda weird. The church conforms to social norms. I've met a lot of gay catholics and families who have a gay child and I've never seen some crazy nutjob bashing on any side. People in my state are very tolerant of it. The church has never once stated anything crazy like "gays go to hell" or "all gays are sinners." I feel like you're getting it warped that catholics publicly condemning it but not speaking for the actual church, are somehow speaking for the church. Every institution has ignorant members so you can't hold the Church accountable for it's fair share of stupid people.

elliekelly 5y ago
What? The Catholic Church, the institution, has repeatedly said gay people are sinners. Several Popes (just in my lifetime!) have given speeches and written essays to that effect.
headShrinker 5y ago
I really don’t know how much more clear I need to be with you. Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God ‘can’t bless sin’ https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-cannot-bless-sin-077944750c975313ad253328e4cf7443 https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-ca... This is from March 2021… You seem to be talking out of both sides your mouth. You are continuously wrong and willful in not acknowledging it. Just to be clear I speak from experience when I talk about the church. My uncle was in the seminary, my other uncle is a catholic priest, my father was in the seminary, my best friend is a devout Catholic who’s been going to church every day for the past 60 years. I know church doctrine. I don’t think you do I’ve met all the nice catholic people you describe. I’ve also met the not so nice people you pretend aren’t a large influential part of the Catholic Church. Maybe your state is a wonderland. Travel a bit and see the rest of the world and know what it actually looks like when you are gay