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There is a discrepancy on the Catholic church's teachings regarding this matter. "Priests not allowed to marry" is contradictory to theology (the very book Cat

by mgh2 5y ago

There is a discrepancy on the Catholic church's teachings regarding this matter. "Priests not allowed to marry" is contradictory to theology (the very book Catholics are supposed to believe in): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204%3A1-3&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204... It is unnatural to forcibly suppress desires for life, one way or another it will come out - no wonder there are so many sex scandals of priests abusing children. With any information (journalism, scientific method, etc.) always check the reliability of sources, refer back to the original, don't just listen to the interpretation of one person (preacher) to avoid bias. Please provide proof of the contrary

austhrow743 5y ago
Isn't the defining trait of Catholics as opposed to Protestants that they don't just straight up follow the bible? That the church is the authority and the bible is just a jumping off point. If you're reading the bible yourself and using it to argue with the church then you've already left Catholic territory.
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tpoacher 5y ago
> there are so many sex scandals of priests abusing children. says who? If anything priesthood is statistically protective against pedophilia, even without accounting for "professions with access". If I remember, last time I read the literature on the topic, it was quoted as something like 0.2%? As opposed to, say, teachers, which came at a scary 8%, and against a background population level of about 1-2%. The scandal was about the "handling" of these cases, not about their presumed overwhelming propensity compared to "normal people". So your theory about repressed urges and the like is effectively Bulverism. Obviously you'd be forgiven for having that impression though. This kind of stuff os golddust for the media. All they have to do is match pedophilia articles with articles about catholics on the front page, and boom -- fact by association.
- mgh2 5y ago
  > So your theory about repressed urges and the like is effectively Bulverism On the contrary, the 1st statement was a theological argument, which led to a later hypothesis. Please provide sources: 38% of clergy accused total, 0.1% actually convicted “Cartor, Cimbolic & Tallon (2008) found that 6 percent of the cleric offenders in the John Jay Report are pedophiles; 32 percent ephebophiles, 15 percent 11 & 12 year olds only (both male and female)...” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report Critic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/ Critic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/
  - tpoacher 5y ago
    If you're so quick to uncritically believe that 38% of ordained priests are pedophiles, then you should at least consider the possibility that you have been successfully brainwashed by your choice of media/ideology. That kind of number is verging on conspiracy theory, up there with illuminati and chemtrails. I'm not quite sure how you hoped the links you placed would help with your rebuttal, since they basically agree with what I said, but, in any case, thank you for the links; since you trust those sources, feel free to treat these as the sources you requested. For comparable prevalence figures in the general population and in high risk professions (like teachers), just google that phrase, top links seem good enough references.
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    - mgh2 5y ago
      Correction: total accused is 4.4% of clergy. The percentages above are based on this cohort

by mgh2 5y ago

austhrow743 5y ago

Isn't the defining trait of Catholics as opposed to Protestants that they don't just straight up follow the bible? That the church is the authority and the bible is just a jumping off point. If you're reading the bible yourself and using it to argue with the church then you've already left Catholic territory.

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tpoacher 5y ago

> there are so many sex scandals of priests abusing children. says who? If anything priesthood is statistically protective against pedophilia, even without accounting for "professions with access". If I remember, last time I read the literature on the topic, it was quoted as something like 0.2%? As opposed to, say, teachers, which came at a scary 8%, and against a background population level of about 1-2%. The scandal was about the "handling" of these cases, not about their presumed overwhelming propensity compared to "normal people". So your theory about repressed urges and the like is effectively Bulverism. Obviously you'd be forgiven for having that impression though. This kind of stuff os golddust for the media. All they have to do is match pedophilia articles with articles about catholics on the front page, and boom -- fact by association.

mgh2 5y ago
> So your theory about repressed urges and the like is effectively Bulverism On the contrary, the 1st statement was a theological argument, which led to a later hypothesis. Please provide sources: 38% of clergy accused total, 0.1% actually convicted “Cartor, Cimbolic & Tallon (2008) found that 6 percent of the cleric offenders in the John Jay Report are pedophiles; 32 percent ephebophiles, 15 percent 11 & 12 year olds only (both male and female)...” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report Critic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/ Critic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026966/
- tpoacher 5y ago
  If you're so quick to uncritically believe that 38% of ordained priests are pedophiles, then you should at least consider the possibility that you have been successfully brainwashed by your choice of media/ideology. That kind of number is verging on conspiracy theory, up there with illuminati and chemtrails. I'm not quite sure how you hoped the links you placed would help with your rebuttal, since they basically agree with what I said, but, in any case, thank you for the links; since you trust those sources, feel free to treat these as the sources you requested. For comparable prevalence figures in the general population and in high risk professions (like teachers), just google that phrase, top links seem good enough references.
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  - mgh2 5y ago
    Correction: total accused is 4.4% of clergy. The percentages above are based on this cohort