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From another post: https://zipcpu.com/blog/2018/10/04/welcome.html https://zipcpu.com/blog/2018/10/04/welcome.html > My Christian beliefs are centered around a

From another post: https://zipcpu.com/blog/2018/10/04/welcome.html https://zipcpu.com/blog/2018/10/04/welcome.html > My Christian beliefs are centered around a literal interpretation of the Bible. This includes a belief in a 6-day creation that took place roughly six-thousand years ago, a belief that God will cause the end of this world rather than any man-induced climate change, a firm belief that a free people should be an armed people, and more. Ouch.

wyldfire 5y ago
I would worry that a young Earth creationist might make a poor designer. Someone who might ignore the evidence of a design error in favor of some other interpretation not supported by evidence. Why did the deity put the fossils there? In order to confuse us? In order to challenge the faithful? It defies reason. You can only put it as a mystery of faith. But it needn't be.
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- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  > Why did the deity put the fossils there? In order to confuse us? In order to challenge the faithful? Went into a creationist museum once (real thing). And the literal answer to your question was ”Yes, Satan put the fossils there to temp us away”. I can’t attribute that to all creationist, but it was the case for the few I interacted with.
  - BizarroLand 5y ago
    My dad tried to say the same thing. I countered with that in the Book of Job the devil couldn't do anything to Job without God's consent, so that would mean that God was trying to intentionally fool people with no way to prove what we can see with our own eyes wrong. He changed the subject and never brought it back up to me again.
- spear 5y ago
  In my first HW design job out of college, I was very surprised when a senior engineer made that exact claim -- that God planted dinosaur fossils in the ground. I knew he was very religious and I could tell he was quite serious, but it was long ago and I had never heard of Young Earth Creationism, so I was shocked into silence. (Also, he was my manager and I decided I couldn't afford to argue.)
  - megamindbrian2 5y ago
    Lol, it wasn't God, it was Jews trying to confuse Christians.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  I always thought the most plausible explanation is one developed Terry Pratchett in "Strata": If you are going to create a planet (or universe) from scratch to be the home of an intelligent species, including a realistic history is critical to give that species sufficient historical context to learn about how things work. Understanding evolution and biology is a lot harder if you have no fossil record. Understanding plate tectonics is a lot harder if you don't have a consitent geologix record. Understanding physics is a lot harder if you don't have a light coming in from events that predates the creation of the universe. Thus if you grant that the universe was created 7000 years ago with a huge, detailed and consistent history, the clear implication to me is that we are intended to study that history to understand the universe in which we exist.
  - jasonhansel 5y ago
    Some people do in fact believe this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis
    - BizarroLand 5y ago
      This reminds me of being a teen and getting my mind blown when a friend of mine said, "You can't prove that you didn't just start existing right now. Who's to say that all of the memories of your entire life were all implanted in your head to make you think the universe didn't start right now."
      - wyldfire 5y ago
        Many of PKD's stories are about identity and memories, subjects just like that. And several of those stories have been adapted into film/TV.
- Rd6n6 5y ago
  > Why did the deity put the fossils there? In order to confuse us? In Heinleins “Book of Job,” this is suggested as the answer in one scene. A grand book
adamredwoods 5y ago
Extreme literal interpretations of any text (however times re-written by multiple scribes) is a self-induced limitation of perspective. This is why the SCOTUS has multiple people. Furthermore, when can we tax religion in the USA and weaken its power over the population?
- megamindbrian2 5y ago
  Reminds me of originalism versus natural law. Soon I hope, but this is a slippery slope, see the movie Lagaan.
typon 5y ago
Does the Bible really talk about "free people being armed"?
- jasonhansel 5y ago
  No.
  - wyldfire 5y ago
    It depends on what you see as canon. From Arm 2:9-21, > And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
    - typon 5y ago
      At first I thought you wrote this yourself!
- 01100011 5y ago
  No. It says Christians should obey the authorities, pay taxes, turn the other cheek, not equate gain with godliness, and it plainly states "Pure and undefiled religion" is to take care of the unfortunate(Widows in this case) and keep oneself unspotted from the World. It doesn't say to build a Christian nation. It doesn't say to fight abortion. It doesn't say to kill your neighbor if he wants to take your stuff. I am all for anyone who wants to live a Christian life in accordance with the Bible. Good luck to them. 99% of modern American protestant Christians are frankly full of shit. I sadly was one for many years until I started reading the book I was espousing.
lostcolony 5y ago
That Herod was a talking fox, just like how satan was a talking snake...

wyldfire 5y ago

I would worry that a young Earth creationist might make a poor designer. Someone who might ignore the evidence of a design error in favor of some other interpretation not supported by evidence. Why did the deity put the fossils there? In order to confuse us? In order to challenge the faithful? It defies reason. You can only put it as a mystery of faith. But it needn't be.

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SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
> Why did the deity put the fossils there? In order to confuse us? In order to challenge the faithful? Went into a creationist museum once (real thing). And the literal answer to your question was ”Yes, Satan put the fossils there to temp us away”. I can’t attribute that to all creationist, but it was the case for the few I interacted with.
- BizarroLand 5y ago
  My dad tried to say the same thing. I countered with that in the Book of Job the devil couldn't do anything to Job without God's consent, so that would mean that God was trying to intentionally fool people with no way to prove what we can see with our own eyes wrong. He changed the subject and never brought it back up to me again.
spear 5y ago
In my first HW design job out of college, I was very surprised when a senior engineer made that exact claim -- that God planted dinosaur fossils in the ground. I knew he was very religious and I could tell he was quite serious, but it was long ago and I had never heard of Young Earth Creationism, so I was shocked into silence. (Also, he was my manager and I decided I couldn't afford to argue.)
- megamindbrian2 5y ago
  Lol, it wasn't God, it was Jews trying to confuse Christians.
shkkmo 5y ago
I always thought the most plausible explanation is one developed Terry Pratchett in "Strata": If you are going to create a planet (or universe) from scratch to be the home of an intelligent species, including a realistic history is critical to give that species sufficient historical context to learn about how things work. Understanding evolution and biology is a lot harder if you have no fossil record. Understanding plate tectonics is a lot harder if you don't have a consitent geologix record. Understanding physics is a lot harder if you don't have a light coming in from events that predates the creation of the universe. Thus if you grant that the universe was created 7000 years ago with a huge, detailed and consistent history, the clear implication to me is that we are intended to study that history to understand the universe in which we exist.
- jasonhansel 5y ago
  Some people do in fact believe this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis
  - BizarroLand 5y ago
    This reminds me of being a teen and getting my mind blown when a friend of mine said, "You can't prove that you didn't just start existing right now. Who's to say that all of the memories of your entire life were all implanted in your head to make you think the universe didn't start right now."
    - wyldfire 5y ago
      Many of PKD's stories are about identity and memories, subjects just like that. And several of those stories have been adapted into film/TV.
Rd6n6 5y ago
> Why did the deity put the fossils there? In order to confuse us? In Heinleins “Book of Job,” this is suggested as the answer in one scene. A grand book

adamredwoods 5y ago

Extreme literal interpretations of any text (however times re-written by multiple scribes) is a self-induced limitation of perspective. This is why the SCOTUS has multiple people. Furthermore, when can we tax religion in the USA and weaken its power over the population?

megamindbrian2 5y ago
Reminds me of originalism versus natural law. Soon I hope, but this is a slippery slope, see the movie Lagaan.

typon 5y ago

Does the Bible really talk about "free people being armed"?

jasonhansel 5y ago
No.
- wyldfire 5y ago
  It depends on what you see as canon. From Arm 2:9-21, > And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
  - typon 5y ago
    At first I thought you wrote this yourself!
01100011 5y ago
No. It says Christians should obey the authorities, pay taxes, turn the other cheek, not equate gain with godliness, and it plainly states "Pure and undefiled religion" is to take care of the unfortunate(Widows in this case) and keep oneself unspotted from the World. It doesn't say to build a Christian nation. It doesn't say to fight abortion. It doesn't say to kill your neighbor if he wants to take your stuff. I am all for anyone who wants to live a Christian life in accordance with the Bible. Good luck to them. 99% of modern American protestant Christians are frankly full of shit. I sadly was one for many years until I started reading the book I was espousing.

lostcolony 5y ago

That Herod was a talking fox, just like how satan was a talking snake...