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"So in this little metaphor, the people play the role of the hostages, the government plays the role of the kidnappers (lawless criminals) and LulzSec play the

"So in this little metaphor, the people play the role of the hostages, the government plays the role of the kidnappers (lawless criminals) and LulzSec play the role of the government (the good guys trying to save you) Interesting. Confusing, but interesting." Yes, you do seem rather confused. "you appear to be mistakenly thinking that LulzSec is her to protect you" I am under no such illusion. However, I do recognize that the enemy of my far far far more powerful enemy is.. well.. as good a friend as any.

gdcbyers 15y ago
So the abuses LulzSec perpetrates are acceptable because they aren't as powerful as the big bad evil government? Or because they appear to hate the government as much as you? I also could not help but notice you ignored my other points and questions, so ill sum it up. How has anything LulzSec done been constructive to the cause you claim they represent?
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause. It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons. As for them attacking non-government targets? I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting, however since you asked: 1) See the above. 2) Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit. 3) Funny as hell.
  - gdcbyers 15y ago
    > I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause. > It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons. You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you? > I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting Please quote me on unfounded assumption about you or your views > Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit. I think this is the most telling response you've made. You might have well as said "Human rights are not important, unless they are mine" because thats how it reads.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      "You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you?" Yes. Does that bother you? Because I don't care.
      - gdcbyers 15y ago
        Well, I think that about sums things up. burgerbrain doesn't "give a shit" about your rights, only his own! But we should still respect his option for some reason I can't think of right now.
        burgerbrain 15y ago
        Oh whoa is you. I don't respect the rights of multinational corporations. The horror!
        gdcbyers 15y ago
        I'm not talking about multinational corporations! I'm talking about the people, individuals that did nothing more sinister then reuse a password, who's personal information was released without their consent. Whoa is everyone except you, who's rights you scoff at.
        burgerbrain 15y ago
        Cry me a river.
        gdcbyers 15y ago
        And this has stopped being a mature conversation. Have a nice day.
        burgerbrain 15y ago
        You're late to the party babe.

gdcbyers 15y ago

So the abuses LulzSec perpetrates are acceptable because they aren't as powerful as the big bad evil government? Or because they appear to hate the government as much as you? I also could not help but notice you ignored my other points and questions, so ill sum it up. How has anything LulzSec done been constructive to the cause you claim they represent?

burgerbrain 15y ago
I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause. It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons. As for them attacking non-government targets? I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting, however since you asked: 1) See the above. 2) Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit. 3) Funny as hell.
- gdcbyers 15y ago
  > I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause. > It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons. You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you? > I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting Please quote me on unfounded assumption about you or your views > Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit. I think this is the most telling response you've made. You might have well as said "Human rights are not important, unless they are mine" because thats how it reads.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    "You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you?" Yes. Does that bother you? Because I don't care.
    - gdcbyers 15y ago
      Well, I think that about sums things up. burgerbrain doesn't "give a shit" about your rights, only his own! But we should still respect his option for some reason I can't think of right now.
      - burgerbrain 15y ago
        Oh whoa is you. I don't respect the rights of multinational corporations. The horror!
        gdcbyers 15y ago
        I'm not talking about multinational corporations! I'm talking about the people, individuals that did nothing more sinister then reuse a password, who's personal information was released without their consent. Whoa is everyone except you, who's rights you scoff at.
        burgerbrain 15y ago
        Cry me a river.
        gdcbyers 15y ago
        And this has stopped being a mature conversation. Have a nice day.
        burgerbrain 15y ago
        You're late to the party babe.