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He's right. Mobs don't do good in the world, no matter if you agree with their position or not. "Hate can't fight hate, only love can do that" Somehow we all

He's right. Mobs don't do good in the world, no matter if you agree with their position or not. "Hate can't fight hate, only love can do that" Somehow we all think we're better at this than MLK was. No matter your beliefs, shame and hate won't help teach a different way.

gameswithgo 5y ago
This idea is great when you are dealing with people who are earnest but misled, for instance Daryl Davis who has had great success getting people to leave the KKK. But many actors are not misled, just actively trying to do harm either for the sake of it, or for personal gain or because they are insane. No amount of love is going to get through to people like that. Think Hitler, Trump, Pol Pot, Putin, Marjorie Green, etc Sometimes you have to fight back
- jjmorrison 5y ago
  It's really a beautifully simple and true statement. Hate simply cannot fight hate. Maybe some people are not meant to change in this lifetime. But if anything can help them, it's love. I really believe that. There should be consequences to actions if we want to incentive certain behaviors in society. But consequences don't require hate or even anger. Hitler may not have been destined to change. But what Daryl Davis does is show these people love. And if you've changed the lives of 200 KKK members - believe me, you've seen it all. You'd be hard press to cherry pick only the nice 200 KKK members.
  - loopz 5y ago
    Quite funny to see all posts about love being transformational going ignored. What's the better option? Well-thought out arguments? These people will piss on your discourse and rile up the mob against you with their own sins! They lie and cheat, and get away with too - with corruption and threats. They will opt to burn everything down, and they sometimes can, than submit to justice. We all know the kind of people. Paradoxially these emotional black holes of human beings seek love and recognition. The silent acceptance from the populace of such behaviour speaks volumes.
Werewolf255 5y ago
Tell me more about how Dr. King wouldn't have used collective action as a catalyst for change.
- megaman821 5y ago
  Are you trying to compare MLK's rousing and elegant speeches with the nastiness that gets sent over Twitter by these mobs?
  - Werewolf255 5y ago
    I'm just following the OPs line of reasoning.
    - jjmorrison 5y ago
      Dr King would have, and always did use love. Not hate. Collective action is not hate, and change doesn't require hate. Mobs today act out of anger and hate. And that creates more anger and more hate. It's hard to love people that you perceive as evil - but wow is it ever powerful when you do. Daryl Davis is such a great example of this as another user pointed out.
      - Leparamour 5y ago
        I'm pretty sure the mobs in question consider themselves "fair" and "tolerant". It's just framing oneself as the good side that stands against the evil "intolerants" hereby justifying the means in one's eyes. MLK's approach of "love" (the carrot) also wouldn't have worked without Malcolm X and the Black Panthers' threat of violence (the stick).
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    Contemporaries certainly did not consider MLK's actions to be "rousing and elegant". He was cast as a rabble-rouser and a complainer by the establishment and called responsible for property damage done during the civil rights protests. It is only in retrospect that MLK has been adopted by the establishment as the "good" protestor and his voice has been twisted to support a "colorblindness" that he never supported.

gameswithgo 5y ago

This idea is great when you are dealing with people who are earnest but misled, for instance Daryl Davis who has had great success getting people to leave the KKK. But many actors are not misled, just actively trying to do harm either for the sake of it, or for personal gain or because they are insane. No amount of love is going to get through to people like that. Think Hitler, Trump, Pol Pot, Putin, Marjorie Green, etc Sometimes you have to fight back

jjmorrison 5y ago
It's really a beautifully simple and true statement. Hate simply cannot fight hate. Maybe some people are not meant to change in this lifetime. But if anything can help them, it's love. I really believe that. There should be consequences to actions if we want to incentive certain behaviors in society. But consequences don't require hate or even anger. Hitler may not have been destined to change. But what Daryl Davis does is show these people love. And if you've changed the lives of 200 KKK members - believe me, you've seen it all. You'd be hard press to cherry pick only the nice 200 KKK members.
- loopz 5y ago
  Quite funny to see all posts about love being transformational going ignored. What's the better option? Well-thought out arguments? These people will piss on your discourse and rile up the mob against you with their own sins! They lie and cheat, and get away with too - with corruption and threats. They will opt to burn everything down, and they sometimes can, than submit to justice. We all know the kind of people. Paradoxially these emotional black holes of human beings seek love and recognition. The silent acceptance from the populace of such behaviour speaks volumes.

Werewolf255 5y ago

Tell me more about how Dr. King wouldn't have used collective action as a catalyst for change.

megaman821 5y ago
Are you trying to compare MLK's rousing and elegant speeches with the nastiness that gets sent over Twitter by these mobs?
- Werewolf255 5y ago
  I'm just following the OPs line of reasoning.
  - jjmorrison 5y ago
    Dr King would have, and always did use love. Not hate. Collective action is not hate, and change doesn't require hate. Mobs today act out of anger and hate. And that creates more anger and more hate. It's hard to love people that you perceive as evil - but wow is it ever powerful when you do. Daryl Davis is such a great example of this as another user pointed out.
    - Leparamour 5y ago
      I'm pretty sure the mobs in question consider themselves "fair" and "tolerant". It's just framing oneself as the good side that stands against the evil "intolerants" hereby justifying the means in one's eyes. MLK's approach of "love" (the carrot) also wouldn't have worked without Malcolm X and the Black Panthers' threat of violence (the stick).
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  Contemporaries certainly did not consider MLK's actions to be "rousing and elegant". He was cast as a rabble-rouser and a complainer by the establishment and called responsible for property damage done during the civil rights protests. It is only in retrospect that MLK has been adopted by the establishment as the "good" protestor and his voice has been twisted to support a "colorblindness" that he never supported.