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I'm not familiar with German job listings, but in the US, listing are "gross" (or "brutto" for German speakers). Providing the gross amount could make it easie

I'm not familiar with German job listings, but in the US, listing are "gross" (or "brutto" for German speakers). Providing the gross amount could make it easier to compare internationally. (Perhaps it would be even better to list net salaries everywhere, but taxes can vary by person, so that's not always possible.)

tester756 5y ago
>but in the US, listing are "gross" oh shit so they don't pay 100k after tax to junior devs? mamma mia, american dream is ded
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- dcolkitt 5y ago
  A single American earning 100k gross would only pay about 13k in taxes. Less if you’re maxing 401(k). In America taxes are quite low until you’re in the top brackets.
  - sushid 5y ago
    No this is incorrect. If you're in CA, you are looking at a tax burden of roughly 30% if you're making 100k.
    - cmbell715 5y ago
      Well yeah, California has by far the highest state income tax. And I’m guessing some of the bigger cities have city tax as well. But in a state like TN or FL that don’t have that burden, it’s far less. Just for my main FTE in TN for 2020, I paid 12.5k on 150k (I also have 3 kids, so there is some tax credit there).
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Well yeah, California has by far the highest state income tax. Its top marginal rate is 2.3% higher than Hawai’is, but also kicks in at almost 3× the taxable income (nearly $600K). Its rate is lower than Oregon's from where Oregon's top rate kicks in to more than double that income. Its bottom nonzero rate is below the rates of the states that have flat income taxes. > And I’m guessing some of the bigger cities have city tax as well. Well, if by “some of the major cities” you mean “the single combined city and county”, sure. But only that one.
        cmbell715 5y ago
        Fair enough but at $150k, Hawaii is actually at 8.25% (jumps up to 9% for 150,001-175k) while California is at 9.3% from $56k-286k. Oregon’s top bracket is 9.9%, but kicks in at $125k, and 9% from $8,401-124,999. So effective net income from a $150k job, barring deductions, in California is $98k (Oregon is virtually identical give or take $100) vs Hawaii at $100k.
  - ska 5y ago
    This sounds way too low, and also varies a lot state-to-state. I just looked up 2020. Your Federal and FICA on 100k are about 23k. If you max out a 401(k) you can drop that to about 18.5k. If you are in California, say, add about 5500 without 401(k), 4k with so total income tax is 29k, or 22k maxing out tax deferral. So effective rate is about double what you quote, at least for single filing.
  - dathinab 5y ago
    Taxes are low, but other living costs are not, and can go absurdly high (from a German point of few). E.g. as a employee people often include taxes and other side costs including rent insurance and health insurance into one blob. On the other hand in the US health insurance is often more costly and covers less. So just running into some non trivial but not to big health issues can easily make the average cost of living over time worse then in Germany. But without question the "cost for what you get" value isn't the best in Germany, some EU countries have better ratios, e.g. similar cost but a better health system.
  - gorbachev 5y ago
    That's way off in almost all cases. That low of a tax rate would only exist in US states with no state income tax.

tester756 5y ago

>but in the US, listing are "gross" oh shit so they don't pay 100k after tax to junior devs? mamma mia, american dream is ded

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dcolkitt 5y ago
A single American earning 100k gross would only pay about 13k in taxes. Less if you’re maxing 401(k). In America taxes are quite low until you’re in the top brackets.
- sushid 5y ago
  No this is incorrect. If you're in CA, you are looking at a tax burden of roughly 30% if you're making 100k.
  - cmbell715 5y ago
    Well yeah, California has by far the highest state income tax. And I’m guessing some of the bigger cities have city tax as well. But in a state like TN or FL that don’t have that burden, it’s far less. Just for my main FTE in TN for 2020, I paid 12.5k on 150k (I also have 3 kids, so there is some tax credit there).
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Well yeah, California has by far the highest state income tax. Its top marginal rate is 2.3% higher than Hawai’is, but also kicks in at almost 3× the taxable income (nearly $600K). Its rate is lower than Oregon's from where Oregon's top rate kicks in to more than double that income. Its bottom nonzero rate is below the rates of the states that have flat income taxes. > And I’m guessing some of the bigger cities have city tax as well. Well, if by “some of the major cities” you mean “the single combined city and county”, sure. But only that one.
      - cmbell715 5y ago
        Fair enough but at $150k, Hawaii is actually at 8.25% (jumps up to 9% for 150,001-175k) while California is at 9.3% from $56k-286k. Oregon’s top bracket is 9.9%, but kicks in at $125k, and 9% from $8,401-124,999. So effective net income from a $150k job, barring deductions, in California is $98k (Oregon is virtually identical give or take $100) vs Hawaii at $100k.
- ska 5y ago
  This sounds way too low, and also varies a lot state-to-state. I just looked up 2020. Your Federal and FICA on 100k are about 23k. If you max out a 401(k) you can drop that to about 18.5k. If you are in California, say, add about 5500 without 401(k), 4k with so total income tax is 29k, or 22k maxing out tax deferral. So effective rate is about double what you quote, at least for single filing.
- dathinab 5y ago
  Taxes are low, but other living costs are not, and can go absurdly high (from a German point of few). E.g. as a employee people often include taxes and other side costs including rent insurance and health insurance into one blob. On the other hand in the US health insurance is often more costly and covers less. So just running into some non trivial but not to big health issues can easily make the average cost of living over time worse then in Germany. But without question the "cost for what you get" value isn't the best in Germany, some EU countries have better ratios, e.g. similar cost but a better health system.
- gorbachev 5y ago
  That's way off in almost all cases. That low of a tax rate would only exist in US states with no state income tax.