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>The policy logic does not stem from a coherent set of ideological precepts that require censorship and control to protect them, but the other way round: you wa

>The policy logic does not stem from a coherent set of ideological precepts that require censorship and control to protect them, but the other way round: you want to impose control and censorship, so you invent a sort of ideology in order to justify it. Obviously, only those evil Russians do this. edit: doh! sarcasm! I forgot about Poe's law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

justicezyx 5y ago
I find this particularly naive. There are lots of reasons why Russia becomes this since the collapse of USSR. If, imagine, somehow the privatization worked out wonderfully, every Russian is as happy as as their counterparts in US, UK etc. (In fact, that would not be sufficient...) Do you still think Russia would do this? If you think they still would do this, then it must be the free will of the country? Now given what's happening, should this be treated as a natural reaction to the fact that learning from a foreign system is not working, and the nation are trying something else? Remember, when you claim someone else is inventing certain ideology, that means there is a concept of ideology. The moment this concept is created, it naturally applies to the accuser, I.e., someone else inventing a different ideology than the accuser. Then, it's obvious that the foreign ideology was regarded by the ruling group as not suitable.
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bobthechef 5y ago
Right. Not like Americans do this... Taken further: if some people can't get what they want because legitimate moral obstacles get in the way, then they rationalize their desires in an attempt to give them a patina of legitimacy. However, that desire already functions as a summum bonum. So there's the real religion behind the scenes and then there's the public facing ideological curtain that conceals it.

justicezyx 5y ago

I find this particularly naive. There are lots of reasons why Russia becomes this since the collapse of USSR. If, imagine, somehow the privatization worked out wonderfully, every Russian is as happy as as their counterparts in US, UK etc. (In fact, that would not be sufficient...) Do you still think Russia would do this? If you think they still would do this, then it must be the free will of the country? Now given what's happening, should this be treated as a natural reaction to the fact that learning from a foreign system is not working, and the nation are trying something else? Remember, when you claim someone else is inventing certain ideology, that means there is a concept of ideology. The moment this concept is created, it naturally applies to the accuser, I.e., someone else inventing a different ideology than the accuser. Then, it's obvious that the foreign ideology was regarded by the ruling group as not suitable.

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bobthechef 5y ago

Right. Not like Americans do this... Taken further: if some people can't get what they want because legitimate moral obstacles get in the way, then they rationalize their desires in an attempt to give them a patina of legitimacy. However, that desire already functions as a summum bonum. So there's the real religion behind the scenes and then there's the public facing ideological curtain that conceals it.