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And hopefully you don’t have sex with children. Though we don’t have any evidence to indicate that you don’t… so you are suspect. Hopefully you only engage in s

And hopefully you don’t have sex with children. Though we don’t have any evidence to indicate that you don’t… so you are suspect. Hopefully you only engage in sex acts with consenting adults

thatguy0900 5y ago
Well you won't find that my direct peers and companions have a recent history of shuffling pedophiles around when they're caught so I suspect the situation is a little different.
- headShrinker 5y ago
  We won’t know the depth of your guilt (or innocence) until a full investigation is concluded. Your “peers” are also suspected child predators.
  - thatguy0900 5y ago
    I'm really curious about this. I understand you disagree, but I really can't see how.It really was the case that the catholic church at all levels was aiding and abetting pedophilia. How can you still see the clergy as good? What, in your eyes, would they have to do to stop being good? Is there anything?
    - headShrinker 5y ago
      You go back & forth defending then attacking the church then the priest. I really don't understand your issue. I'm clear, I have issue with the churches 1: priest obstinance policy and 2: gay policy; it's unrealistic with a catastrophically negative outcome. I have a problem with people attacking gays or straights for wanting love. I don't care what your religion or organization is. Saying 'If he had sex, he's immoral and should resign as priest and the religious order' is consciously or unconsciously issuing a homophobic attack because it was Grindr for gay sex with a man. If it was a man that had sex with an adult woman, no one would care, The Pillar wouldn't have publicized the data findings, this wouldn't be an article on arstechnica, and you wouldn't care either. Also Priesthood isn't a job you leave. It isn't a job, it's for life. I grew up in the church. I have friends in the church. I know a lot of priests and I knew a lot of gay priests. There are a lot of good people there. If none of that was good enough to change your tack, you will N E V E R defeat the church, and people need/want it. The're the single biggest land real-estate owners in the world with 1.3 billion baptised Catholics worldwide as of 2019. Money is power and this scandal will blow over, they are on a long-term plan. You can help the church evolve to a kinder organization; kinder to its priests and its parishioners. Personally, I don't like church, it's not for me. Deep down everyone knows right and wrong, and existence a god doesn't help answer any questions I have. The idea of heaven allows people to think there is something better after. There isn't.
craftinator 5y ago
You really seem to be popping up all over this thread with personal attacks on strangers. This priest is paid through donations from believers, yet actively engaged in behaviors that are abhorrent to the church. If nothing else, it's immoral, and he should have removed himself from that role long ago
- headShrinker 5y ago
  > actively engaged in behaviors that are abhorrent to the church This is bigotry plain and simple. It’s the ‘gayness’ the church has a problem with. Saying 'If he had sex, he's immoral and should resign as priest and the religious order' is consciously or unconsciously issuing a homophobic attack because it was Grindr for gay sex with a man. If it was a man that had sex with an adult woman, no one would care, The Pillar wouldn't have publicized the data findings, this wouldn't be an article on arstechnica, and you wouldn't care either. Also Priesthood isn't a job you leave. It isn't a job, it's for life. There nothing to go to after. It would be like saying ‘if you smoke pot, you are “actively engaged in behaviors that are abhorrent to the“… country because it’s listed as a Schedule I substance, federally banned, so you should leave and go to another country. No I won’t. Will stay here smoke my pot, thumb my nose at you and change the laws. And we did, we’ll change the church too.

And hopefully you don’t have sex with children. Though we don’t have any evidence to indicate that you don’t… so you are suspect. Hopefully you only engage in sex acts with consenting adults

thatguy0900 5y ago

Well you won't find that my direct peers and companions have a recent history of shuffling pedophiles around when they're caught so I suspect the situation is a little different.

headShrinker 5y ago
We won’t know the depth of your guilt (or innocence) until a full investigation is concluded. Your “peers” are also suspected child predators.
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  I'm really curious about this. I understand you disagree, but I really can't see how.It really was the case that the catholic church at all levels was aiding and abetting pedophilia. How can you still see the clergy as good? What, in your eyes, would they have to do to stop being good? Is there anything?
  - headShrinker 5y ago
    You go back & forth defending then attacking the church then the priest. I really don't understand your issue. I'm clear, I have issue with the churches 1: priest obstinance policy and 2: gay policy; it's unrealistic with a catastrophically negative outcome. I have a problem with people attacking gays or straights for wanting love. I don't care what your religion or organization is. Saying 'If he had sex, he's immoral and should resign as priest and the religious order' is consciously or unconsciously issuing a homophobic attack because it was Grindr for gay sex with a man. If it was a man that had sex with an adult woman, no one would care, The Pillar wouldn't have publicized the data findings, this wouldn't be an article on arstechnica, and you wouldn't care either. Also Priesthood isn't a job you leave. It isn't a job, it's for life. I grew up in the church. I have friends in the church. I know a lot of priests and I knew a lot of gay priests. There are a lot of good people there. If none of that was good enough to change your tack, you will N E V E R defeat the church, and people need/want it. The're the single biggest land real-estate owners in the world with 1.3 billion baptised Catholics worldwide as of 2019. Money is power and this scandal will blow over, they are on a long-term plan. You can help the church evolve to a kinder organization; kinder to its priests and its parishioners. Personally, I don't like church, it's not for me. Deep down everyone knows right and wrong, and existence a god doesn't help answer any questions I have. The idea of heaven allows people to think there is something better after. There isn't.

craftinator 5y ago

You really seem to be popping up all over this thread with personal attacks on strangers. This priest is paid through donations from believers, yet actively engaged in behaviors that are abhorrent to the church. If nothing else, it's immoral, and he should have removed himself from that role long ago

headShrinker 5y ago
> actively engaged in behaviors that are abhorrent to the church This is bigotry plain and simple. It’s the ‘gayness’ the church has a problem with. Saying 'If he had sex, he's immoral and should resign as priest and the religious order' is consciously or unconsciously issuing a homophobic attack because it was Grindr for gay sex with a man. If it was a man that had sex with an adult woman, no one would care, The Pillar wouldn't have publicized the data findings, this wouldn't be an article on arstechnica, and you wouldn't care either. Also Priesthood isn't a job you leave. It isn't a job, it's for life. There nothing to go to after. It would be like saying ‘if you smoke pot, you are “actively engaged in behaviors that are abhorrent to the“… country because it’s listed as a Schedule I substance, federally banned, so you should leave and go to another country. No I won’t. Will stay here smoke my pot, thumb my nose at you and change the laws. And we did, we’ll change the church too.