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To be blunt, while the macOS 11 UI is not all bad, it contains very serious design mistakes, ruining things that everyone has no choice but to use (like notific

To be blunt, while the macOS 11 UI is not all bad, it contains very serious design mistakes, ruining things that everyone has no choice but to use (like notifications and alerts). Somehow Apple doesn’t get how terrible this trend is, and that it is damaging their entire brand. I can only assume the hierarchy at Apple is broken to the point where the people in charge are either unreachable, or unresponding to feedback, while having entirely too much control. And as far as dumbed-down tools, it really feels like literally no one inside Apple even uses their tools (or they have access to better stuff and don’t care). For instance, “Console” - once the simplest imaginable concept with an implementation that everyone would expect - is now a pointless mess. An app that should have obvious behavior and usability is now just confusing every time I open it, leaving me feeling defeated because I cannot even find what I need. They messed it up and moved on, like many other things.

gknoy 5y ago
> macOS ... contains very serious design mistakes Would you be willing to elaborate, or link to articles supporting this? I'm sure that they have them, but since I swap between windows and mac daily I might just not be noticing them.
- makecheck 5y ago
  For notifications, here[1] is a pretty good overview of the problem. A collection of comments on reformatted alert messages: [2]. Comment on icons, translucency and other quirks: [3]. [1] https://tyler.io/240-invisible-pixels/ https://tyler.io/240-invisible-pixels/ [2] https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/07/03/big-surs-narrow-alerts/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/07/03/big-surs-narrow-alerts/ [3] https://medium.com/macoclock/why-apple-has-broken-some-basic-design-principles-in-the-new-macos-release-419cf74af099 https://medium.com/macoclock/why-apple-has-broken-some-basic... Not to mention posts on Reddit, Twitter, blogs, etc. about lots of these UI quirks.
  - logbiscuitswave 5y ago
    > Worse, though, Big Sur hides the (X) until you mouse over the literal bounds of the banner - not even the area where the hidden (X) will appear is initially valid. I so intensely hate this design trend of hiding UI elements until you move the mouse cursor into a “magic” area that makes them appear. I work a lot with tools and websites that do this and it’s simply maddening.
ksec 5y ago
I dont think they are design mistakes, but it is clear the whole macOS 11 UI was designed with 1 Billion + iOS / iPad OS user in mind and not regular macOS users. The possibility of them buying into the Mac Ecosystem. From consumers, to enterprise. I am not too sure about that decision. I am increasingly thinking those that are stuck or are comfortable with a PC or Mac, are very different group of user to those who use iPad and iPhone. Most of them are only using PC when they are forced to use it such as work. But then a lot of the UX design expert left when Jony become CDO and had crashes during iOS 7 era. And it is the same that current design chief is from an industrial background, with little to no software ux expertise.

gknoy 5y ago

> macOS ... contains very serious design mistakes Would you be willing to elaborate, or link to articles supporting this? I'm sure that they have them, but since I swap between windows and mac daily I might just not be noticing them.

makecheck 5y ago
For notifications, here[1] is a pretty good overview of the problem. A collection of comments on reformatted alert messages: [2]. Comment on icons, translucency and other quirks: [3]. [1] https://tyler.io/240-invisible-pixels/ https://tyler.io/240-invisible-pixels/ [2] https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/07/03/big-surs-narrow-alerts/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/07/03/big-surs-narrow-alerts/ [3] https://medium.com/macoclock/why-apple-has-broken-some-basic-design-principles-in-the-new-macos-release-419cf74af099 https://medium.com/macoclock/why-apple-has-broken-some-basic... Not to mention posts on Reddit, Twitter, blogs, etc. about lots of these UI quirks.
- logbiscuitswave 5y ago
  > Worse, though, Big Sur hides the (X) until you mouse over the literal bounds of the banner - not even the area where the hidden (X) will appear is initially valid. I so intensely hate this design trend of hiding UI elements until you move the mouse cursor into a “magic” area that makes them appear. I work a lot with tools and websites that do this and it’s simply maddening.

ksec 5y ago

I dont think they are design mistakes, but it is clear the whole macOS 11 UI was designed with 1 Billion + iOS / iPad OS user in mind and not regular macOS users. The possibility of them buying into the Mac Ecosystem. From consumers, to enterprise. I am not too sure about that decision. I am increasingly thinking those that are stuck or are comfortable with a PC or Mac, are very different group of user to those who use iPad and iPhone. Most of them are only using PC when they are forced to use it such as work. But then a lot of the UX design expert left when Jony become CDO and had crashes during iOS 7 era. And it is the same that current design chief is from an industrial background, with little to no software ux expertise.